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If you were going to buy a 'modern' bike that wasscottfree
Apr 30, 2002 9:43 AM
most 'retro' in ride, looks, style, what would it be? What's the most retro-ish bike on the market today?
most frames with a threaded fork and horizontal dropoutsSpirito
Apr 30, 2002 10:19 AM
would fit the bill. bosses for downtube shifters help as well.

any mercian would easily fit the bill and have the appearance of such as well. my pinion is that they are a bargain as well all things considered.

it could easily be another material but i am not aware of any alu, carbon or Ti that offer these choices.

as mercian's are built to your order you have a say in all the details within reason. rivendell"s are similar but the choices are a little less and as much as i hate to say they are pricey when compared to the mercian.

new frames can be classic and they are out there.
How could you NOT say it...Ray Sachs
Apr 30, 2002 11:11 AM
"as mercian's are built to your order you have a say in all the details within reason. rivendell"s are similar but the choices are a little less and as much as i hate to say they are pricey when compared to the mercian."

...when Rivendell customs are $2300 and Mercian customs can be had for about $500? I own a Riv (bought when they were less than half of today's prices) and both the looks and the ride are sublime, but the Mercian is a much better deal if you know the geometry and tubing you want.

-Ray
Rivendell N/Mcurlybike
Apr 30, 2002 10:44 AM
here is my choiceDave Hickey
Apr 30, 2002 10:54 AM
Cinelli Super Corsa. $795.00 for frame and fork.
Ditto!!PMC
May 1, 2002 6:05 AM
I've been drooling over that exact frame at GVH for awhile now. I know it's not a retro-build but that frame would be a perfect match for a Chorus kit.

Now, if I could only convince the wife that I really really need another bike...
re: If you were going to buy a 'modern' bike that waswooglin
Apr 30, 2002 11:42 AM
Hetchins and Bob Jackson frame/forks are both available in the US from World Class Cycles.

http://www.worldclasscycles.com/
Mercian and Bob JacksonSteveS
Apr 30, 2002 1:09 PM
Two posters mentioned the above and they are outstanding. I had my old Mercian refinished by Bob Jackson cycles while I was in the UK last September and while there couldn't resist the urge to pick up a Bob Jackson touring bike. Both were shipped from England and arrived safe and sound here in the U.S. I would recommend both builders highly as they have been around for decades. Oh, yeah, no picture that I have seen does justice to their paint jobs.

Will try to post a picture of my two in the near future. Good luck and great bargains.
hmmm... my list:colker
Apr 30, 2002 1:30 PM
torelli.they are lugged. they have a steel fork.
mondonico. el/os. the seat angles are way steep and cs are short but what do i know?
richard sachs.. perfect.
rivendells.. don't know about the high handlebars.
moon. beautifull. custom. flat fork crown.
mercian. a bargain.
pegoretti. they have a lugged model with a steel fork: palosanto.pegorettis are top racing machines.
cycip can build you a bike with henry james lugs.
waterford. well, geometry is too steep but..
What about an off-the-rack production bike? Any possibilities?scottfree
Apr 30, 2002 2:09 PM
apart from a few fixed gear & track bikes i haven't seen any NmSpirito
Apr 30, 2002 2:32 PM
there was heron and now there is rambouillet.colker
Apr 30, 2002 3:39 PM
it's small scale procuction but it's off the rack and available with horiz. drop outs and flat fork crowns. 8cm bb drop and long chainstays. not bad.
there was heron and now there is rambouillet.Ray Sachs
May 1, 2002 3:36 AM
Just a couple of details. Both have vertical, not horizontal dropouts. The Rambouillet has a 77 mm bb drop, not 80. The Atlantis has 80, as do most custom 700 wheeled Rivs.

-Ray
Also, Heron lives onRay Sachs
May 1, 2002 9:37 AM
Heron was recently bought and is being resurected. They're going to be available in four colors, still two models (road and touring), but will have vertical dropouts. I believe the bb drop will stay at 8 on the touring and at 7.5 on the road.

-Ray
excellent.colker
May 1, 2002 10:41 AM
they do need to drop the frame price to $750ish. 950(wasn't it?) is steep for a frame with that paint job. did it have a clear coat? decals were pretty.
overall it was a better buy than the gunnars. herons have unusual and excelent geometry with laidback seat angles.
Going the other wayRay Sachs
May 1, 2002 11:10 AM
Road frame and fork $995
Touring frame and fork $1045
Easton EC90 Carbon fork for Road frame $250 (deletes
standard steel fork)

I don't know how well they'll compete with the Atlantis and Rambouillet at those prices. The Heron Touring and Atlantis are geometrically so close it's almost scarey. The Heron Road is a bit quicker and tighter than the Rambouillet, so there may be some differentiation there.

-Ray
at those pricescolker
May 1, 2002 11:20 AM
and having to go w/ a caron fork... i'd buy a moon instead.$1300 standard(excellent) paint and lug work. custom. one of a kind.
Going the other wayHeron Todd
May 19, 2002 7:08 PM
Sorry for being a bit late to the discussion. Ray was wondering how Herons would stack up against Atlantis and Rambouillet frames from Rivendell. You're right. They are quite similar.

The Atlantis is built around a larger tire than the Heron Touring. This allows a wide knobby for off-road riding but requires a MTB-style crank. Typical road triples will not fit.

The Rambouillet is built around "standard" reach brakes rather than the common-today short-reach brakes as used on the Heron Road. The Rambouillets geometry is more relaxed than the Heron Road but not quite like the Heron Touring. It's set up for larger tires and fenders, stable handling, but not necessarily loaded touring.

The Herons and Rivendell offerings complement each other well. They are quite similar in features, ride, quality, and price. Herons are made in the US and are silver-brazed while the Atlantis and Rambouillets are brass-brazed in Japan. This is a minor difference, but US production really cuts down our lead times and allows us to ship just about any model and color within 2 weeks (if not immediately).

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Going the other wayHeron Todd
May 19, 2002 7:19 PM
Sorry for being a bit late to the discussion. Ray was wondering how Herons would stack up against Atlantis and Rambouillet frames from Rivendell. You're right. They are quite similar.

The Atlantis is built around a larger tire than the Heron Touring. This allows a wide knobby for off-road riding but requires a MTB-style crank. Typical road triples will not fit.

The Rambouillet is built around "standard" reach brakes rather than the common-today short-reach brakes as used on the Heron Road. The Rambouillets geometry is more relaxed than the Heron Road but not quite like the Heron Touring. It's set up for larger tires and fenders, stable handling, but not necessarily loaded touring.

The Herons and Rivendell offerings complement each other well. They are quite similar in features, ride, quality, and price. Herons are made in the US and are silver-brazed while the Atlantis and Rambouillets are brass-brazed in Japan. This is a minor difference, but US production really cuts down our lead times and allows us to ship just about any model and color within 2 weeks (if not immediately).

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
excellent.Heron Todd
May 19, 2002 7:19 PM
colker wrote:

>they do need to drop the frame price to $750ish. >950(wasn't it?) is steep for a frame with that paint job.

We probably could drop the price down if we sold direct to consumers rather than through dealers. We are in the process right now of setting up a dealer network, and we believe that the opportunity to see and ride a Heron at a local shop is valuable to our customers. It's difficult to decide to buy a bike like a Heron without seeing and riding one first. Additionally, the dealers we select will be well-versed in road cycling and touring. So, they will be able to fit you properly and assist in building the frame with appropriate components.

I'd also suggest that you look at what you get for the money. These frames are silver-brazed in the US. All the lugs are investment cast, not stamped. They are also unique. We did not use off-the-shelf lugs or crown for the Heron. They are specifically designed for this application and provide a means to identify the frame beyond the decals. This is not a generic steel frame. However, tooling for lugs costs money. You also get a real head badge!

You really are getting a custom-quality frame at a production-frame price.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles