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What is your retro ride and do you use it?Walter
Apr 25, 2002 3:54 PM
I'll go first. She's a Basso. Not original; frame came from eBay and a clean Super Record group with built wheels came from campy-only.com. I sprayed (with the help of a friend with the right equipment) it blue. Found some repro decals and had some more made in Canada. Fun project. I can wire friction derailleurs, my luck with Ergo ain't so hot.

With the S. Record it's definitely retro though very smooth. Even has sew-ups.

I ride it a fair amount and enjoy it. B/c of the tubs I usually ride a known route with clean roads.

Sooner or later I'll post some pics.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?Dave Hickey
Apr 25, 2002 4:13 PM
Two retros that are still being restored. I plan on riding both

1. LOOK KG86- see thread below
2. 1976 Gintane Tour De France- Complete but in boxes. Frame is stripped to bare metal. I hope to have it painted this summer.

I'm look for an older Colnago or Pinarello to restore. I have 5 French bikes and I'm not even that fond of the French.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?Lone Gunman
Apr 25, 2002 4:23 PM
1978 Viscount, Shimano 600 hubs, derails, Shimano Tourney CP brakes, SR crank, stem, no name bars and post.

Bought in '78 before I started college. Lost interest in riding and parked it in the basement. Several bikes later and after it had been relegated to a single wheel trainer bike, I gave it away last summer to a charity. Discovered it might have a faulty fork and was able to recover it from the charity (they had not done any work on the bike(s) bigger project than they imagined) before someone got hurt. Began restoring it this past winter and it needs paint, decals and a set of rims built up.

I have not ridden it for 14 years, I have no idea how it rides.
I remember lusting after that bikeDave Hickey
Apr 25, 2002 4:28 PM
I was in college and saw one in a local bike store on campus. I had about $500 to get me through the semester. I was trying to rationalize buying the bike and living the rest of the semester on $250. I still wish I bought the bike.
Viscount forkNessism
Apr 29, 2002 6:08 AM
I don't have any personel experience with these but hear talk about them from time to time on the framebuilders list - very high failure rate. Just in case you need more info, Framebuilders is a email forum by and for framebuilder types. Lots of big name sorts as well as home garage builders contribute.

http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/framebuilders

http://search.bikelist.org/ Search function

Of couse if you know all this, just ignore me.

Ed
I have 2.look271
Apr 25, 2002 5:37 PM
An early to mid 80's Nishiki w/ Tange 2 prestige steel tubing. My commuter/bad weather/lead bat. It is quite comfortable and shifts fairly nice with Suntour indexed 6-speed freehub. The other is my fixte. An early 80's Bianchi. I took the components off and converted it to a fixed gear. A little "springy" but fun to ride. 27" wheels.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?wooglin
Apr 25, 2002 5:55 PM
Now here's a forum I might like.

'84 Trek 760. Maybe not original or pedigreed enough for a purist, but good enough for me. Ride it all the time (primary roadie) so its got aero brake levers and Looks. Other parts are a mishmash, mostly off a late 70s Raleigh Comp GS.

http://www.vintage-trek.com/Trek_galleryCC.htm
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?rwbadley
Apr 25, 2002 10:31 PM
The 760 is a nice frame. 531c tubing, very light stuff. I had a blue one, sold to a friend & he loves it. My son is on an '85 red/yellow 560.

My favorite retro is an '88 50th Paramount. Black frame/ Gold fork. I took the gold fork off for preservation purposes, because I do ride the bike quite often. The black carbon fork does not detract from the look. Tho' I do miss that gaudy gold fork. The carbon fork rides a bit softer, a little lighter weight (6 0z) Does not handle quite as precise, but it hasn't scared me yet.

It is built with period Suntour Superbe and Superbe Pro. Non aero levers. With a wheelset of Dura ace 7 with cxp33/black rims
This bike really rides wonderfully, very secure handling. Not the lightest, but I can easily forgive the porkitude for the fine road manners.

RW
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?Dave Hickey
Apr 26, 2002 3:21 AM
That is really a nice looking bike. What year did Trek start making bikes?
Vintage Trekwooglin
Apr 26, 2002 4:06 AM
The link I posted is to the Vintage Trek website, which I just stumbled across one day. If you delete everything past the .com you'll get to the homepage. Some good info there, including a timeline and some catalogs as well as pics of other rides. Skip Echert's done a good job with it, and is to be thanked.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?xxl
Apr 28, 2002 12:00 AM
1976, according to Trek's ad copy in a recent issue of "Bicycling."
at the moment...Spirito
Apr 25, 2002 6:37 PM
i have 2

the first is my beater and im fixing and replace parts for it and giving it to a friend. torpado (cicli padova) columbus aelle mix of ofmega, miche, modolo and somehow ended up with simplex derailleurs and shifters. the wheels to my amazement have ridden thru everything and still hold up true - i will never scoff at ambrosio rims again. the simplex derailleurs an shifters are soon on ebay and a new set oof suntour stuff is going on. the modolo brakes are out the window and a newer set of dia-compe's is going on with (ummahh) aero levers. great bike - bit heavy but i bought it for $86 and have enjoyed it thoroughly.

2nd is my fixte using a Montagner frame (cicli passarella) oria tubing - road frame. suzue's to ma3's, dura-ace w/ 42 to 16 or 18 depending on which way the wheel is flipped. i stripped the paint as its all chrome and nickel plate underneath and is a stunning bike. very elegant.

once both these are passed on ill be building a merckx as a one bike that does it all - cant wait.

will post some pics of the first 2 soon and the merckx when its built.

am looking for the right 3 speed with a sturmey archer hub for about town work though - they are either too small or too big...one day.

ciao
Not sure about Retro but...Nessism
Apr 25, 2002 6:38 PM
...I do like lugs. Actually, I build lugged frames in my garage. Not exactly classic but classic in form I like to think.

Ed
very cool nmgtx
Apr 25, 2002 10:39 PM
hmmm!!!colker
Apr 26, 2002 3:45 AM
would you build an all rounder for an internet buddy?
hmmm!!!Nessism
Apr 26, 2002 6:08 AM
I kills me to not be able to build for others. The real problem is insurance and setting up a company. It's not that I'm worried about the frame braking, more being sued for some dumb reason. Say, second owner gets hit by a car and the wife sues me because the bike didn't have lights on it. Stranger things have happened.

True story, a good friend of mine helped design a off-road downhill frame only to get sued by Specialized for patent infringement. There was no merit to the case, which came out in court, but Specialized was trying to intimidate small mfgers from entering the market. Cost my buddy a lot of money to defend himself even though he won. And what if he lost, say goodbye to the house, car, savings, ect.

Ed
hmmm!!!colker
Apr 26, 2002 6:47 AM
the joys of a litigative society... specialized is such a sweet company huh?
i know waves are different than roads but how do surfboard shapers get along with the hassle? it's a cottage industry: small garage, kids etc..
since i don't live and won't ride in the us, maybe.. what do you think? i'd love to have a one of a kind. it would be in a not so near future anyway.
c'mon ness... you could deliver it and have a holiday...Spirito
Apr 26, 2002 7:36 AM
im sure colk's would put you up for a day or 2.

and colker wont sue...of that im sure... he'll just ride it and then sell it on ebay in 20 years as a super rare collectors item that was made before you made it big and sold out to Taiwanese interests.

ciao
bikini beach!colker
Apr 26, 2002 1:51 PM
"honey. i'm going to take this frame down in rio de janeiro. it will take 2 months. terrible traffic down there.."
i told you ths story didn't i? of this guy that went to thailand for a couple of weeks and stayed a couple o'years.
Sucks for all usNessism
Apr 26, 2002 6:07 PM
I read somewhere that the US has more lawers than the rest of the world put together.

At any rate, feel free to bookmark my email address(s) for future prosperity. What did you say your frame size was...?

Ed
nessoh@centurytel.net - better but shortlived
edwardness@mail.com - mail.com sucks but is my longterm backup
53 c-c...colker
Apr 26, 2002 6:14 PM
your size too isn't it?
55 top tube. 73.5 seat tube. 41 cs.
Very similarNessism
Apr 27, 2002 5:55 PM
My latest personel frame uses a 72.5 degree seat tube and 55.7 cm top tube. This will be my "when I'm in shape frame" - if I ever get INTO shape that is. The everyday frame uses a 73 degree seat tube and 54.7 cm top tube. The theory being that when I'm in shape I can get lower over the bike. Building frames is great fun because I get a new one every year!

Ed
both lugged?colker
Apr 27, 2002 7:27 PM
what's your preference on cs length? the hampsten stage race, cinghiale, has a 56cm tt and 73º seat angle. i'm inclined to try something along those numbers on my next bike.i'm using a 12cm stem and i'd rather be on an 11cm.
Lugs baby!Nessism
Apr 28, 2002 10:36 AM
Actually, the only kind of frame I can make is lugged, or maybe fillet brazed, since I don't own a TIG setup.

My preferance it toward longer chainstays and low bottom brackets. To some extent, low bottom brackets necessitate longer chainstays since they are angled upward more. My everyday ride has 7.6 cm of bottom bracket drop and 41.5 cm chainstays. I don't race crits so pedal clearance is not an issue.

Stem length is a preference to some extent but I generally like to see a 110 mm stem on a medium sized frame. People with light upper bodys can use longer stems since they do not have that much weight on the front end.

Regarding top tube length, one thing to keep in mind is how the seat tube angle and top tube length work together. One good under appreciated specification is the front center distance. This specification doesn't care about the path, only how far the front wheel is in front of the bottom bracket.

It sounds like you are taking a similar approach to bike fit as I. Kind of an evolution of sorts. Review fit on current bike, decide what should be changed, find a frame that has the proper dimensions, and give it a try. I think this is a much better way to fit a bike compared to trying to take body measurements and plug them into a formula.

Ed
Lugs baby!colker
Apr 28, 2002 3:52 PM
i want to try a mercxx. i want to feel low on the corners. 41.5 cs. laidback seat angle.
the other option is colnago. i like those front end numbers: 72.something head angles.. you raise the stem and the bars really come back. stable but you have the steeper seat to motor the bike and throw it in corners.
i want to try both.
bb dropgtx
Apr 28, 2002 8:47 PM
I think Serotta has gone to a 8cm drop and Rivendell is doing something close to that on their stock Japanese bikes. Do you know what Richard Sachs generally uses?--I know he is known for using a low bb. So is Merckx but if I remember right you said you measured your ti Merckx and it wasn't that far from normal. Mine sure looks low but I haven't measured. Most US builders seem to use 7 or so (IF, Steelman, etc.). I do like the 41-41.5 c-stay length.
Sach's geometeryNessism
Apr 29, 2002 6:24 AM
I'm not sure if he sets these dimensions in stone but my understanding is that he uses 8+ cm for the most part. There used to be magazine called Road Bike Action, now defunct, that did a story on Sachs and listed some dimensions from his frames. As I recall, they had a very low bottom bracket height - in the sub 26 cm range, and 5+ cm of fork rake. Lost the magazine though...stupid me.

Ed
bb drope-RICHIE
Apr 29, 2002 8:35 AM
gtx...

my frames have had 8cm of drop as the norm since 1977.
that's approximately 10" bb height with racing tubulars.
of course, i have made a few frames with measurements different than this, but 8cm drop is kinda' typical for me.
gotta go...

e-RICHIE
richards pic didn't work .....Spirito
Apr 29, 2002 9:17 AM
i am not sure of which he was trying to post but ive added a pic of one of his earlier frames in all its beauty.

the link to his site is..
http://www.richardsachs.com/rsachs2.html

and some "oh my gosh" examples of his beauties in the raw are within his gallery pics. my favorite being his signature 30th series pre paint and finish.. stunning
http://www.richardsachs.com/rsachs30gallery/index.htm

his site has many articles and details of his persistently high quality of work and is an enticing read as well.

a true master built bike........one day :-)

ciao (thanks richard)
this pic left me speechless.colker
Apr 29, 2002 10:24 AM
the standard.
how cool is it..colker
Apr 29, 2002 10:28 AM
to have richard sachs drop by our conversation. i guess this site is rollin'..
his restoration of a '71 masi is pretty spectacular as well :-)Spirito
Apr 29, 2002 10:46 AM
my eyes cant get enough of the beauty of this one

http://www.campyonly.com/retrobikes/sachs_masi.html

make sure your pinarello doesn't feel neglected and unloved tho colks! remind it that you are just looking.

ciao
richards pic didn't work .....e-RICHIE
Apr 29, 2002 10:42 AM
spirito.
thank you.
the 'official' site url is:

http://www.richardsachs.com

steven sheffield has done all the work to make the site useful and attractive. the kudos go to him!

thanks!
e-RICHIE
thanks for the info!!! nmgtx
Apr 29, 2002 6:59 PM
huge issuegtx
Apr 26, 2002 8:51 AM
I worked in bike shops for 10 years and keep thinking I'd like to get back into the bike biz in some capacity at some point--as an owner of some kind of bike business. But the liability issue is huge. I honestly don't think I want to deal with it.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?flying
Apr 25, 2002 10:43 PM
Masi Gran Corsa
I bought the frame new in 88
Built it up with the original Chorus group back then.
( Had the interleaved arms )
Also used a Omas Titanium BB
Simplex shifters
Galli Headset
I had & still have the record pedals w/toeclips
but have addded Look Carbons back quite a few years ago.
Vittoria CX's on Camp record hubs & victory rims
Rolls saddle
cinelli bar & stem
Rode the heck out of it for 13 years.
Just got a new Colnago MXL this past October.
So now she is my rollers bike ;-)
Still top shape though & can serve as backup ride too.
thats a beautiful bike...Spirito
Apr 26, 2002 6:25 AM
whats the rolls saddle like.

i just had mine delivered this morning and after 12 years of regal exclusivity i am keen to give the rolls a try.

its red :-)

thats bike is for the rollers - WOW!
thats a beautiful bike...flying
Apr 26, 2002 8:55 AM
Thanks Spirito
I liked the rolls
In fact on my new Colnago I have a
Flite but have also tried the ERA.
The Flite is ok but I want to try a rolls on it
& also a Regal actually ;-)
well..Spirito
Apr 26, 2002 9:00 AM
i can let you know before i list any more.. if you are interested.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1822755203

ciao, ben
well..flying
Apr 26, 2002 12:29 PM
Heheheh Hi Ben !!
Its me Mike from Hawaii ;-)
We had spoke about these saddles
& I was just undecided about the white.
Small World eh?
Aloha
heheh thats cool :-) NmSpirito
Apr 26, 2002 12:37 PM
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?boneman
Apr 26, 2002 12:35 AM
I have a 1975 Gios-Torino. I bought the frame new from the US distributor at that time, Cortina Bicycles in NYC and picked it up from their warehouse in Hell's Kitchen. Chrome fork, non of those bogus coin medallions which came later, and no white panels on the down, seat and top tube. Fork was uncut and not threaded.

Super record was not out then and in fact at that time, the three biggest problems were finding a rear axle/hub for 126mm, 6 speed freewheel and short reach brakes. Back then, this was revolutionary stuff. It was then and still is fitted out with full Nuovo Record, Mavic GP-4 (old style) rims and Cinelli 1a stem, 66 bars. The frame and fork, no headset, cost me $250 and I still have the bike which is currently in Stateside storage. I rode the bike frequently before moving to the UK three years ago. Its probably got close to 75,000 miles ridden. It was repainted by CycleArts in the mid-80's and I'll probably completely restore the bike whenever I return to the States and yes, I'll ride it, rain or shine.

I contributed the picture at the Classic Rendevous site which goes under the byline "Full bore Brooklyn team issue circa 1973" They got the year wrong as it was from some literature they sent me in late 1974 although the changes from 1973-1975 were minimal. Those of you racing back then in MA may remember the Franklin Park race series. One of the wrenches at Lifecycle in Cambridge whose name I've forgotten used to have a fully pantographed yellow Masi. He came back from Italy in 1974 with a Gios Torino which he brought to one of the races at the park. Before that I wished for a Masi, Colnago or Eisenstraut but seeing the blue beauty completely changed my mind. Between DeVlaeminck and P-R, and Sercu taking the green jersey in the TDF, I had to have one.

About 2 years ago there was a Gios Torino on EBay, in my size and with the pantographed seat post and chainring. Almost bought just for the parts but it had frame damage to the down tube and right fork leg. I regret not going for it given the price I paid recently for a pantographed chainring.
lugged pinarellocolker
Apr 26, 2002 4:00 AM
vuelta. yellow with chrome and decor paint. took time to get used to the flamboyant style.
tubing:on the sticker it says pinarello but i read somewhere it's dedacciai. steel fork with chrome crown and painted legs. it's built with daytona. saddle is a regal with copper colored rails and the old pinarello logo embroidered on top. i have some good photos and as soon as i learn how to use the scanner that sits in my table i'll post them..
Three bikes:scottfree
Apr 26, 2002 5:27 AM
An '84 Miyata 1000 touring bike, five speed; and a cousin, an '85 Univega Sportour (Miyata actually built Univegas, I understand). I ride the Sportour more these days, as it's a little more nimble. Both real nice bikes in their day (still nice, if you ask me). Oh, I also have a yardsale '89 Giant Quasar, low-end bike, that I'm slowly corroding through with sweat on my trainer.

As are decked out with the finest components Suntour, DiaCompe, Sugino, and S-R have (or had) to offer!
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?Ray Sachs
Apr 26, 2002 6:01 AM
My only truly oldish bike is an early 80's Bianchi that I use as a fixed gear these days. Pretty scratched up Japanese frame with some rust, but going strong. No pics. My pride and joy is my 4-5 year old Rivendell road - the setup varies, but the following pictures are with indexed downtube shifters and aero brake levers. Sweetest ride I've yet to experience. Modern retro-classic I guess.

http://members5.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/getImage.pl?imgID=8151439-e757&trans=

-Ray
Rivendell w/ clipless pedals... What would Grant say?!? nmSantaCruz
Apr 26, 2002 12:31 PM
i can't see. there's a warning(high resolution bla bla bla)colker
Apr 26, 2002 1:55 PM
nm
Sorry, try thisRay Sachs
Apr 27, 2002 3:07 AM
thats so cool... few questions?Spirito
Apr 27, 2002 7:08 AM
is that a ritchey double (36/46)? quality?

are those bottle cages from rivendell?

th bike looks very nice and im impressed with the bar tape plugs in green. nice.

:-) and very classic. which is why im glad for this page as its a no mention on the classic rendesvous list as its post '83 but is classic in every way.

hope you get a lot of miles from that baby.

ciao
thats so cool... few questions - answersRay Sachs
Apr 30, 2002 4:12 AM
Sorry, off the list for a few days.

Yeah, it's a Ritchey double, 48x34. Depending on what and how I'm planning to ride, I'll have a wheel with a rear cassette anywhere from 12-27 to 12-34, which gives me either reasonably tight roadie spacing, or a nice wide range for touring.

The bottle cages are (blasphemy!) from Cannondale of all places. They're welded aluminum that I stumbled onto one day at a Cannondale dealing LBS. Those almost got me ex-communicated from the IBOB list :)

The green bar plugs were a nice find for that bike - Riv used to sell them. Now only in black, I think. I'm riding it with barcons these days, so they're on the shelf at the moment.

I have six bikes but the VAST majority of my miles are on this one. This is my fifth season riding it and it should be my main ride for as long as I'm riding as long as it and I stay healthy.

-Ray
ahhhh...colker
Apr 27, 2002 11:27 AM
and it's green! perfect. that's a bike to ride every single day.
ahhhh...Ray Sachs
Apr 30, 2002 4:14 AM
Yeah, "Coleman Stove" green. I love that color. Best choice I ever made on a bike. The bike looks nice, but the ride is freaking sublime.

-Ray
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?SteveO
Apr 26, 2002 6:42 AM
80's raleigh. Made even more retro by converting to fixed.
used daily; much more than my 'good' bike.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?manfred8
Apr 26, 2002 6:59 AM
I have 4 "retro" bikes, I ride all 4 but never in the rain.

1. The oldest is a mid 60's Jack Taylor, mostly original, lugless with TA cranks Campy Rally derailleur, 27" wheels, Mafac center pulls, etc. 1200 original miles. Newer(early 70's Phil hubs, recently rebuilt) Near perfect pin-striping.

2. A restored Jack Taylor Tour of Britain, Nervex lugs. All Campy with TA triple. Frame painter couldn't do the pin-striping, but has nice gold lug outlining, Dark green Imron paint.

3. Late 70's Masi Gran Criterium, all Nuovo Record, modern Mavic rims, used for club rides, occasional commuting. Not sure if it's Italian or not, doesn't have "MC"(calif. made) in the serial number, near perfect paint.

4. Ciocc Mockba 80, full pantograph Super Record, original Ambrosio Tubulars. Extra set of wheels, NOS Campy hubs with NOS Ambrosio Synthesis Durex Tubulars, Clement Criterium tires.

Tom
how are "older" phil woodsSpirito
Apr 26, 2002 7:39 AM
and how do they differ from his current freewheel hubs?

im interested as they seem to be an acceptable replacement for OEM classic hubs and from reports are very cheap when the quality and milage they can endure are factored in.

i might go that road myself.
how are "older" phil woodscurlybike
Apr 28, 2002 8:13 PM
The older Phil Hubs had the bearings either Epoxied or Loctited with fairly tough Loctite. I guess about 8-10 years ago the developed the FSA (Field Servicable A???)system. There is no Phil junk as far as I know. Bullseye tried to compete, but were not near as nice, IMO.
What is your retro ride and do you use it?Djudd
Apr 26, 2002 10:44 AM
I have a "Sterling" steel and lugged, I have converted to a fixed commuter. I don't know the year but it looks to be about mid-eighties or so. I can't seem to find anything about Sterlings but it is a good reliable ride.
My "good" classic is more of a classic by design: an 11 year-old Bridgestone RB-1 (still trying to get the gumption to send it off to be painted)
1984 Oullette, custom frame Reynolds 753, Mavic GEL280 rims,Sharky
Apr 26, 2002 12:29 PM
Campy hubs, bottom bracket, Super Record crank, pedals, seatpost, Campy alloy 6 speed freewheel, Suntour shifters, Dura Ace AX brakes, (the rear is located behind the bottom bracket under the chainstays), Cinelli bars and stem, Omas headset, Modolo levers. Wieghs 16 1/2 lbs just like it did in 1984. The lugs are shaped like lightning bolts. Rides like a dream! Only take it out a few times a year.
very intersting ...any pics? never heard of an oulletteSpirito
Apr 26, 2002 12:39 PM
i love bikes that aren't everywhere

hence my topado and montagner but i can find a few of them.

im really interested

ciao
Built by Peter Oullette in Connecticut, a custom frame builder,Sharky
Apr 26, 2002 4:09 PM
I cant find out where he is now, but he had a very good reputation back then. I will try to get a pic up when I get my camra back from my son, who by the way is now riding my 1982 Pinarello.
Ciao
thats cool...a classic minded family.. :-) NmSpirito
Apr 26, 2002 8:47 PM
3Rensho Katana with 7400 Dura AceOperaLover
Apr 27, 2002 11:26 AM
Purchased in 1987 direct from the designer and President Yoshi Konno while living in Japan. I rode with the builder Makino-san and the 'Asaren' club for 2 years. Lugged with the beefiest dropouts you will ever find. Oiginally had 7-speed freehweel and tubulars but upgraded to 8-speed freehub and clinchers in '95. The serious Japanese rider (like most of us) prefers tubulars for some strange reason. The bike is bullet proof heat treated Japanese Ishiwata steel, fully chromed for rust protection with a 80's red to white fade paint job. It could use a serious overhaul, but I ride it a few times each summer. Storngly considering sending it to CyclArt (who at one time imported them) for a new paint job in the semi-official 3Rensho sky blue (I even have a complete set of decals to use). Would love to hear from any other owners.
3Rensho Katana with 7400 Dura AceWalter
Apr 28, 2002 5:42 AM
Never owned a 3 or San Rensho but am familiar with the builder's story. Took apart Cinellis after the '64 Tokyo Olympics to get an understanding of brazing as I recall. For awhile some 3Renshos were popping up on eBay regularly. The more I think the more I regret not making a run at one of them.

Over on OldRoads.com a guy is putting together a 3Rensho with a NOS SunTour Superbe Pro group. That might just be the pinnacle of Japanese bicycle craft there.

Yes, back when it mattered I preferred SunTour to Shimano.
3Rensho Katana with 7400 Dura Acetmguy
Apr 29, 2002 8:48 AM
You are correct on the history. But, Suntour on 3Rensho is period inaccurate. Yoshi Konno never built his bikes - unless by special request - with anything but Campy or Shimano.

In '83 I bought a lugged custom 'Holks' by Cycles Yokoo of Japan with Suntour Superbe Pro. It was a De Rosa copy and beautiful with short point lugs and red metal flake paint. I parted out some of it before I sold it to a friend who still has it, thankfully. Would love to buy it back an rebuild with NOS Superbe. That was some fine componentry.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?BikenBass
Apr 27, 2002 6:02 PM
Mine is a 1980 Raliegh Record Ace. Bought originally when I lived in California and could bike to work. I've lived in Washington State the past 18 years and I'll admit that I just don't enjoy riding in the rain. Still.

So it's in great shape, having hung in the rafters of the garage most of that wet time. With the exception of the tires and brakes everything is original. I had it tuned up at a shop a couple months ago and still haven't riden it.

But I hit the Big Five-Oh this year and plan on riding this summer as part of my personal restoration-project. Although we just went to the beach last week with a couple of borrowed Mtn. Bikes and really like being able to ride on the sand. Something the skinny tired Raliegh just can't do. I've been shopping for a couple of used Mtn Bikes to take on a couple more beach trips planned for this year. But I'll still keep the Raliegh.

Fortunately, we have some great paved trails in our area I can make use of this summer.
re: What is your retro ride and do you use it?xxl
Apr 28, 2002 12:24 AM
All my rides are "retro"; good bikes just do not wear out. I've got a 1984 Schwinn Peloton, with Superbe Pro, which is my "good" bike, and a 1971 Concord. The latter isn't really original anymore, but it's kind of an interesting bike. It was made by a Japanese firm that made a lot of crap for the 70's bike boom, and tried their hand at a "real" bike; this is built with dbl.-butted Ishiwata tubing, and has some neat faux-Nervex lugs. I had it repainted back in the late 80'. It's been through a lot, but it's still a serviceable crapster.
1971 Schwinn cantilever cruiser, 3700 miles last year ...Humma Hah
May 1, 2002 3:37 PM
My main ride, true love, pride and joy is an early MTB conversion that I bought new in 1971. Best-handling, sweetest-riding bike I've ever owned, probably has about 25,000 miles on it.

Frame: Schwinn Typhoon (26" model)
Forks: Schwinn Corvette (brake mounts)
Rims: Chromed S-7
Rear axel: Bendix '71 coasterbrake, '98 internal parts.
Front axel: Schwinn heavy-duty.
Spokes: thick, about 4 mm.
Handlebars: 20" chopped "English racer" bars, resin-filled.
Seat: Schwinn Softseat Plus
Front brakes: side-pull calipers
Rear Brakes: Topo V's on Big Cheese Adapter
Lights: Vista Code 15, rear LED blinker
Computer: Cat's Eye AT-100 (Altimeter)
Bell.
Finish: CyclArt "Camero" silver-grey powdercoat
Decals: Restored period Schwinn, custom name on chainguard, clearcoated.
'84 Ciocc - bought it new in '84DMoore
May 1, 2002 7:09 PM
In the later '80's, I updated its Campy gear with the original 6 speed Shimano SIS, Look pedals, Dia Compe aero brake levers. A few years ago I reinstalled all the original parts, so it's now back to original full NR/SR configuration. Except for the clinchers - I tossed the Ambrosio sewup rims years ago. I don't ride it much, and when I do I always fumble with the toe clips. And I always marvel at the smooth ride - a 60 cm SL frame.
Somec FixieAndante
May 2, 2002 5:34 AM
80's Somec with the lovely 4 color greeen/ yellow, white fade paint job. Had super record parts, but I removed most of them to make it a fixed gear. Now I ride it every day as my commuter. Stiffer frame than my "modern" steel (tig-weld) bikes. Lugs rule!!!
1989 Merckx TSX CenturyFrank
May 2, 2002 10:45 PM
A beautiful bike that rides so nice! I am so glad nobody bought the frame and fork when I foolishly had it for sale...
re: Eisentraut Limitedchapperal2k
May 2, 2002 10:49 PM
'77 Eisetraut Limited. Campy Record. Bought in '77 and ridden ever since. Still have original paint, but needs a paint job. Rides nice.
My Ultra-6 just broke. I am debating whether getting another one or switching to cassette. I heard old Campy can shift 7-speeds?

Any other Eisentraut Limited rides out there?
re: Eisentraut Limitedcurlybike
May 3, 2002 6:49 AM
Since you were using an ultra 6, is the bike spaced 120 mm at the rear or 126? You may have trouble using the current Sachs 7 speed freewheel as they put the chain too close to the dropout. You would have to move a spacer from the ND side to the drive and redish the wheel if this occurs. What kind of hub are you using? The Campy 6-speed rear hub was real bad for this when using a new Sachs 7. Ther is also problems if the bottom of the chain stay is not flattened. The chain will go onto the smallest cog, but collides with the chainstay as you try to shift onto the next cog. All of these should be checked before deciding to stick with a freewheel. These problems are reduced when using a freehub. Your results may vary.
re: Eisentraut Limitedcurlybike
May 3, 2002 6:51 AM
Oh, I have seen Campy NR work with a 7.
ultra 6's are still around....plenty of new onesSpirito
May 4, 2002 10:47 PM
they are regularly on ebay new and in box. i have seen from a 13-18 to a 13-30 (i just bought one of the latter for around $35) and harris cyclery have them but they are a bit pricey at around $55 but they have a few sizes.

i would say if you liked them and your bike is set up for it - why change?

and pics of the eisi?

chapparel's were the car in their day too :-) perhaps too soon for their day
ultra 6's are still around....plenty of new oneschapperal2k
May 6, 2002 9:16 AM
I need new wheels so I can get modern (wide) hubs and stretch out the stays (permanently or everytime I mount the wheels). Then I can use a freehub with 7 cogs and a spacer. Or I can rebuild the wheels using the old hubs with an Ultra 6. I will see if I can find an Ultra 6. I want a 12-25 or something close to that.

I will try to get a picture of the Limited.

Here is a cool one of a Chapperal.
ultra 6's are still around....plenty of new oneschapperal2k
May 6, 2002 9:41 PM
Chapperal!
'70s Colin Laing track bike & '84 Stumjumper Sport MTBStraightblock
May 3, 2002 11:00 PM
The Laing's my winter trainer. I got it in a horsetrade when I worked at the LBS in the late '70s. Reynolds 531 with Campy dropouts, round track fork blades & flat-top crown. Its owner had bought it used, set up as a 10 speed with brakes, clamp-on downtube shifters & front derailler, and a rear derailler mounted on one of those cheap bolt-on derailler hangers. The hanger was modified so it could be reversed & work with the track dropouts. The Nuovo Record rear derailler had gone out of adjustment & the owner has shifted it into the rear wheel, tearing the derailler in two and destroying the rear wheel. After he found out what it would cost to repair, he ended up trading it straight across, including a set of cheap tubular track wheels w/cog, for a $99 Taiwan-made (Taiwan bikes were junk in the '70s) Raleigh Rampar 10 speed.

My boss snagged the Campy Record brakes from it & hung the bike in the back of the shop. After a few weeks, I asked him how much he wanted for it, and he said "You can have it." Woohoo! I bought a set of Weinmann 500 sidepull brakes & a 1/8" chain, put it together with the cheap track wheels, and was on the road.

The original beat-up ugly brown paint & peeling decals were later replaced by a white powder coat, which goes with anything, including the current pimpy red/yellow bargain bin handlebar tape. Vintage pieces include the Campy Record brakes, seat post and rear high flange road hub, and the Sugino Mighty Compe cranks (Campy imitations).

I bought the Stumpjumper new, a 15 speed (3x5) with ratchetting thumbshifters. It's got a lugged chromoly frame & horizontal dropouts, so it's ideal for its current incarnation as a singlespeed. It still sees modest off-road use occasionally, but it's mostly put out to pasture & mainly gets used for family rides around town.