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Is this all racing or just TNbob-e
Sep 10, 2003 5:38 AM
I received this reply after no results for 2 weeks in a row. Last two races only 20 were recorded out of a field of about 60. IMO this guy is a total jerk. Agree?

Robert, As I am sure you know when field finish on top of others there are some that are missed. This is why you have fifteen minutes after posting to make sure you are placed. We always try to post as many as we can, Sometimes it is not possible to do all because we can not read numbers on the video or we have stop vedeo for the next finish. It is up to you to let us know when we miss you (within the time allotted). Please understand that the most important thing is to get the results out as fast as possible sometimes this means missing some of the lower placing. If you race out of TN you will find that at most races all you get is paying positions posted and then no place to look them up later. We do our best but we need your help also. If you would like to see how hard a job results are please come and volunteer to help the chief judge at a race.Frank
typical not to get deep resultsDougSloan
Sep 10, 2003 7:11 AM
Around here, they very rarely post results for more than 10-20 places in large fields. I've inquired of officials about this, and they say it's just too difficult and time consuming. Even checking with the officials right after the race won't help, either. They simply do not keep deep results most of the time.

I used to think this really mattered, but then I learned that it really doens't matter whether I finished 33rd or 60th out of 100. I'll never remember later on, anyway, and it's not like I'd be particularly proud of either position.

If you're not in points or pay, forget it. Top 10 or you lost.Spunout
Sep 10, 2003 7:15 AM
Past about 15 places, lots of people sitting up -- not muchbill
Sep 10, 2003 8:12 AM
value to those placings beyond 10-15, maybe even top twenty if we're stretching it -- these are the folks who managed to get some position for the finish. Everyone else is an also-ran. If you are fortieth, you can't really say that you fought for that position, even if 100 started the race (except if you were one of the 40 of 100 to finish, the rest getting shelled out the back, which says something, I guess).
Past about 15 places, lots of people sitting up -- not muchbob-e
Sep 10, 2003 10:13 AM
That disheartens me to learn that people "sit-up" when they get dropped from the main field. I go hard from start to finish even if I get dropped; for pride if nothing else. There's nothing better than to get dropped and then come back after soloing 20 miles and pass a brand new pinarello prince drafting a c40 (true story). I can understand for cat 4 and up, but for beginners like my self we'll take what we can get.
..I hope you aren't one of those guys who sprints for 40th...Spunout
Sep 10, 2003 10:50 AM
and wipes out half the field in the process. Okay, don't sit up, but keep pace with the field. It is the guy that screams for being boxed in 40th, well, there is a reason you are that far back!

Race safe!
Could be you started sprint in top 10 and got passed by 30!(nm)hrv
Sep 10, 2003 10:58 AM
..I hope you aren't one of those guys who sprints for 40th...bob-e
Sep 10, 2003 11:10 AM
Keep in mind this is Cat 5. There are not 40 at the finish. Bikes are scattered all over the course (and in the ditches and guard rails). Trust me I'm not one of the squirrels. There are plenty though. Last week we were with Women's 4 and a Cat 5 knocked her in a ditch going 9 mph up a hill. It's crazy out there.
I sprint for 40th!shirt
Sep 10, 2003 1:24 PM
Alright, not if I'm in the bunch, but I got dropped towards the end of a long RR a couple weeks back after an 8-mile breakaway that left me unable to hang on the last climb. I eventually grouped up with three others from my race and we nearly caught our pack by the finish.

We took quick turns pulling for the last 2k, and you can bet your sweet ass I was going to race them for the line. So we raced, and I beat them. Yeah, it was for 30th or something, but I'm there to race and we were racing. One of the other guys totally dissed me after we crossed the line for sprinting; I just laughed at him.

But in the pack, yeah, you're pretty much a gomer if you're doing hairball moves to get from 42nd to 36th.
just to clarify -- I'm not talking about dropped groups, sobill
Sep 10, 2003 10:55 AM
that some sort of chase group has formed and you want to go for the honors within your little subgroup even if meaningless. That's just sport. That's fine if you want to do it -- it's meaningless, but it's not really dangerous. If you want to go, go. Guys probably will look at you funny, but I don't really have a problem with it. I'm talking about 40 guys finishing in a pack, with ten guys actually contesting the sprint, the rest being boxed out of contention (or blown, or whatever). There's where you don't want people sprinting for thirtieth, and lots of guys (appropriately) will be sitting up, letting those first ten or fifteen go at it.
Sep 10, 2003 7:47 AM
"IMO this guy is a total jerk. Agree?"

I don't know Frank, so his message could mean a couple different things. However, having worked as an Official in the past, before you give him the title of 'total jerk', spend the next race in his shoes!! It's not as easy picking spots as you seem to think!!

Sep 10, 2003 8:10 AM
I can imagine it's hard, but they have video and I wasn't that far back from the field. The jerkness I thought came from "why don't you try it". It just seems there is a lot of attitude at these races and it's making me want to rebel. I'm going to be the Dennis Rodman of cycling.
Sep 10, 2003 8:16 AM
"why don't you try it".

Seems to me that is enough said right there.

"I'm going to be the Dennis Rodman of cycling."

Enough said right there too.

methinks you need to walk a mile in those shoes, first. I don'tbill
Sep 10, 2003 8:26 AM
necessarily detect attitude in the guy's response -- maybe just a little, shall we say, frustration. I think that he was even being kind. The writer doesn't want to say directly what you are hearing here -- if you are out of contention, you are out of contention, and it's frustrating to hear from guys who were umptieth that they need to know whether they were 39th or 46th. The resources for a bike race are stretched thin enough so that getting the first 20 right is accomplishment enough. And don't overlook that, not only does the rest of the race not matter, but they tell you that they don't want you sprinting for 40th for a reason. It's not safe. Keeping the tally only encourages that sort of thing.
Don't let me give the impression that I haven't always wanted to know, too, because I understand completely your frustration. I've been in your shoes, and I will be again. I'm learning, though, that if I'm out of the top fifteen or so, I just better start thinking about the next race, because that one's a goner.
It is Small Town Small Time Racingbimini
Sep 10, 2003 10:52 AM
I race small time in Small Town Iowa. Small races, small fields, too few people working very hard to pull together a race without a lot of thanks. I always make it a point to thank the organizers after the race. I truely do appreciate the effort spent.

If you live in and are from TN you must understand the small town thing. Be careful about getting a bad reputation with the clubs and officials. The cycling community is probably small and everyone probably knows everyone else.

Now Pissing off the officials in that environment is kind of like pissing your own pants in winter time. It feels warm and good at the moment and you have relief but after a while you are out there freezing your ass off all alone.

You need to adopt a different tone with the judges and organizers or they will make it so you are out there all alone being frozen out of the show. If you are not careful you will be getting a DQ the moment you show up, they can always create a reason. Yes, It might not be fair but it is thier show not yours.
re: Is this all racing or just TNpalewin
Sep 10, 2003 5:06 PM
I think you might not realize how difficult it is to pick up the numbers in a pack finish. I've both worked at races, and compete. As a worker, we have a heck of a time getting more than 4 or 5 numbers each (before the finish I've been told "try to get the 5-10th finisher" etc.) Also, most video cameras don't get clear enough pictures to read the numbers. In my last two road races we were invited over to the camera to try and pick ourselves out in the picture to get our placings, and I could only identify myself by the jersey color, couldn't even read my number. I make it a point to count the number of riders ahead of me as soon as I've crossed the line. If I've been close enough to the front to care, I can count the 5 or 6 riders ahead of me, and then I can check with the organizer to see that I got placed correctly. If I'm buried in 35th place, there are too many ahead to count, and I know not to expect to find myself on the finishing list. Also, as many have pointed out to you, if I'm buried back there coming into the sprint, I basically shut it down and just roll in with the field - no point in risking a crash, or causing one, to finish 20th when the race flyer says 5 places, and you need top 10 for any upgrade points.