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DQ in road racebob-e
Sep 9, 2003 12:19 PM
This was my 4th race ever, so I'm still learning.
While in the last 5 miles of the race, headed for my best finish ever the Judge truck pulled up next to me and in a snotty voice said: "you know that I disqualified you don't you". I stated no, how would I know that. She said at mile 12 I passed someone by going over the yellow line up a hill. I argued I was with the main field in the middle of the pack the whole way. If I did cross the line, I was sucking on someone's wheel and I surely didn't gain advantage. I then proceeded to let a flurry of choice words go and zigzagged across the yellow line the whole way to the finish. Afterwards, I apologized, but I told her that she could have told me at a better time and in a better tone--she said nothing except that my arguing was pointless and what she says goes. In my prior races everyone got warnings when they obviously crossed the line. Is this the way racing is or did I just get a zealous judge?
Depends on the ref...biknben
Sep 9, 2003 12:49 PM
I saw a guy get a decent tongue lashing for crossing teh yellow once. It was a stern repremand and he was told that if he did it again he was gone.

BTW: At the end of the race half the field crossed teh yellow going into the last turn. The ref didn't seem to notice that one.

I'm sure it depends on the ref. and probably the circumstances involved.
Yup, that is the rule. Take your chances and pay....Spunout
Sep 10, 2003 3:45 AM
Look at it this way. You might have died. When you die, the promoter will never get insurance to hold a race again. No more racing for me!

In Ontario, the commissaires honk and yell but never DQ anyone. We had a peleton of 100 guttered on the left shoulder and nobody was DQd. It was interesting to see them all move over when a car was coming, that was for sure! Stupid, they should have stood up for the rules better, as the race package stated that the yellow line stands. I didn't cross, a few teammates and I protected each other in our lane and were able to pass the whole peleton while everyone else fought for a wheel in the gravel!

For a safer race, responsible community, and good rep for our sport, respect the yellow line.
Yup, that is the rule. Take your chances and pay....bob-e
Sep 10, 2003 5:34 AM
I do have respect for the rules and understand the reasoning, but when you're elbow to elbow front to back in the pack and get a hair over the line, I think a DQ is a little excessive.
Going out on a limb here...TFerguson
Sep 10, 2003 6:15 AM
But judging from your response, I bet that this is not the first time she (or other judges) have heard you.

TF
Going out on a limb here...filtersweep
Sep 11, 2003 8:31 AM
"I then proceeded to let a flurry of choice words go and zigzagged across the yellow line the whole way to the finish. "

No kidding... a class act!!
you were very wrongDougSloan
Sep 10, 2003 7:05 AM
The center line rule on open road courses is there for several good reasons. One, your life. Two, the orgainizer's liability. Three, race venues have been lost from racers violating this and pissing off the local residents or law enforcement.

Your violating the rule was bad enough, but then being an ass after that was much worse. I'd have suspended your license for the rest of the year had I been the official and seen you weaving across the line after I had spoken to you about it and taken verbal flack from you. That kind of conduct is absolute intolerable; it can cause volunteer race officials to quit, it's unsportsmanlike, and jeopardizes racing for everyone. You acted like an idiot, and I can't believe you are admitting it, much less seeking support for it here.



Doug
you were very wrongbob-e
Sep 10, 2003 7:39 AM
I know what I did was wrong--that's why I apologized. Like I said I am very conscious about the yellow line rule and still contend that if I crossed it it was due to pack movement and then just barely. As far as race promoters losing their insurance, does that mean that the last race I dead when the guy took a header into a guard rail at 45+ and broke his face, they're going to drop their insurance?

The main reason for the post was to find out when and how the judge should present you with the DQ. Immediately, after race, or in the field sprint? I think if the first two was used I wouldn't have lost my cool. Something I try to retain while wearing tight Lycra.
my viewDougSloan
Sep 10, 2003 8:01 AM
I'd rather be told sooner than later. I'd rather not bust my butt in a sprint only to be told after that I had been DQ'd. I suppose she could have actually pulled you from the race right there. I've seen that done.

This isn't so much an insurance issue to me, as it is good will with the locals. I've seen venues threatened or lost because of bad relations with locals, particularly law enforcement. Typically, some type of permit is required to hold a race, usually obtained from local law enforcement. If they have had complaints, they may refuse to renew. Actually, I've heard of races being stopped right then and there due to centerline violations. Yup, cops came out and said "you're done" right in the middle of a race. You want to be the guy who causes that and pisses off about 500 other racers?

I think generally penalties should be addressed as soon as possible. I think she acted appropriately.

Now, on the "pack movement." I have been in situations where the pack was forcing me toward the center line. However, treat the centerline like it's a brick wall or a cliff, and you'll see that your options are limited to pushing back or falling back, if necessary. Treat the center line like a barrier, not an option.

Doug
my viewbob-e
Sep 10, 2003 8:06 AM
Thanks Doug.
That's a good idea on the brick wall or cliff.
Like I said I'm learning.
sureDougSloan
Sep 10, 2003 8:11 AM
When in the heat of the battle and lactic acid surging it's hard to think clearly. Relatively calm and thoughtful people I've seen turn into raging maniacs in the middle of races or hard training rides. That's why I think it's better to think these things out ahead of time - sounds like you'll be fine. You are taking a thoughtful approach.

Another strategy -- in races where there will be some climbs that might gap you if you get trapped, try to get near the front at the base of the climb. Much better position for many reasons.

Doug
you were very wrongJBergland
Sep 10, 2003 8:12 AM
"I know what I did was wrong--that's why I apologized."

Just because you apologized, doesn't make everything ‘ok' again. If I was the official you cocked off to, I would have been hard pressed not to jerk you right off your bike!! You should consider yourself luck that you were ONLY DQed!!

"Like I said I am very conscious about the yellow line rule and still contend that if I crossed it it was due to pack movement and then just barely."

I doubt that very much!! There are in fact some officials that do have ‘chips' on their shoulders. The majority of them DO NOT!! Judging from this and another post of yours, I'd strong suggest you take a good long look in the mirror. If this is only your 4th race, you are already well on your way of establishing yourself on the racing scene. at least with the officials!!!!

JBergland
you were very wrongbob-e
Sep 10, 2003 9:26 AM
Don't you think "jerked of my bike would be a little extreme". I'm the one in the heat of battle not the official. BTW getting "jerked off" is not a problem as I am a lean 195. 140 pound officials and riders don't intimidate me. I give them respect or apologize if I don't. I've seen skinny cyclists have have attitude and then run for cover when they dismount. Remember what sport you're in.
Thanks Doug for the climbing tip. I've heard of "sag climbing" but I've yet to try it. Maybe next race.
195 lbs... LOL!!JBergland
Sep 10, 2003 10:19 AM
Hay R-man,
"BTW getting "jerked off" is not a problem as I am a lean 195. 140 pound officials and riders don't intimidate me."

"I've seen skinny cyclists have have attitude and then run for cover when they dismount. Remember what sport you're in."

Like I said, I suggest you take a good long look in the mirror. You'll likely need to do some growing up before you get any respect HERE or at any races. Listen carefully to what different people are telling you. Don't like or agree with what I have to say?? That's fine. I believe others are also telling you very similar things.
195 lbs... LOL!!bob-e
Sep 10, 2003 11:01 AM
I respect what all have said. But when you talks about jerking someone off via the internet you better be on a porn site. LOL!!
"Remember what sport you're in" ???53T
Sep 29, 2003 11:37 AM
What on earth does that mean? You're in a sport with guys who shave their legs and wear lycra. What's your point?

When I'm not racing, I shoot highpower rifle, no lycra involved. I've never heard anybody behave the way you did at a competition. Of course there may be good reasons for that.

I'm really not sure you should continue racing. It is not clear that you bring anything to the sport.
Last year, a guy was dq'd for crossing the line, and he didn'tbill
Sep 10, 2003 8:58 AM
learn about it until after he (otherwise) had won the race. Apparently, he had been dq'd many, many miles previous. That I thought was not handled well.
If she told you anytime before you busted your a** in the final km's, she did you a favor. And, by the way, if you were 5 mi out, unless you were in a breakaway group with lots of time on the field, you have no idea whether you were headed to your "best finish ever."
DQ is DQ. Learn about it now, learn about it later, you were wrong and you handled it poorly. The rule is not about obtaining an advantage, it's about being safe. Period. Getting an advantage by breaking that rule is beside the point, at least the way I see it.
I also have seen where the rule is less strictly enforced on a turn, where people begin or end their line a little wide. That makes sense to me, too, although I can't necessarily justify it by what I just said.
actually, turns are where it might be most importantDougSloan
Sep 10, 2003 9:07 AM
In a straight, at least you and an oncoming vehicle can usually see each other. Around a turn, you probably won't. Where I have see centerline rules enforced mostly are on twisty descents, where turns are blind and speeds are high -- plus, you can definitely gain an advantage by cutting corners or swinging wide. I agree, though, the rule is not about gaining advantage, but that's an additional reason to enforce it strictly.

Doug