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found these pics...lonefrontranger
Jul 15, 2003 7:03 PM
Highlands Ranch Crit (22 June) was pretty good to me. I won the combined 4/35+ field, and held my own in the Elite (pro/1/2/3) field, finishing 9th - only my 2nd top-10 finish in the elite women's this year. The 1/2/3 field was decent sized, twenty riders or so and some heavy hitters, as you'll see. Despite the field blowing apart midway through the race, I chased back into contention and even managed to best one of the Diet Rite pros in the field sprint, which was very gratifying.

The shots are cheesy because I nabbed them from a commercial site. My apologies to the photog, but they refuse to sell digital files (I'd gladly pay for the convenience and instant gratification) and I won't spend major bucks for hard prints then wait for them in snailmail.

My teammate and I did some good work in the 4/35+ race. She nabbed a prime and went off on a break, which story you can read in Zed's thread below. Despite my best efforts the break didn't stick, but I jumped the field with 300m to go up a small hill and got the win. The first shot is of me stuck to someone who's attempting to bridge to my teammate.
next onelonefrontranger
Jul 15, 2003 7:09 PM
The girl on my wheel in this shot is 13 years old, and can hold her own in the very tough 4/35+ fields out here. My teammate (who's 2 months younger than me) has a son her age. This young lady represents the future of the sport for long after dinosaurs like yours truly have hung it up.
showing off the 'naglonefrontranger
Jul 15, 2003 7:14 PM
A better shot that shows off the bike nicely. Me, lying in wait with my teammate off the front.
my teammate gets caught, but takes the "gambler's prime"lonefrontranger
Jul 15, 2003 7:16 PM
A nice shot of Patsy taking a late prime, which sets me up perfectly for a counter...
and, the 'money shot'lonefrontranger
Jul 15, 2003 7:20 PM
cheesy tho it be. The girl behind me this time is sixteen, and is currently the most dangerous field sprinter in the 4/35+ races. She placed top-5 in all her events at Jr. Nats last week.
And now for the Big Sheewlonefrontranger
Jul 15, 2003 7:28 PM
aka the "open" or pro/1/2/3, Elite chick race, or the Main Event. Here on the Front Range, however you term it, it's darned hard. 60 minutes of hell and torture at the hands of some of the nation's best racers.

Just to prove that I can do more than just beat up on little girls (those little girls, BTW, could probably put the hurt on a lot of you guys...)

Note the wheel I'm sitting on. She's currently in Italy or just coming back, having completed the Giro Femminile. At the point this was taken, we were breaking the posted speed limit. Our average speed was over 26mph for 60 minutes.
one last onelonefrontranger
Jul 15, 2003 7:37 PM
hmm, role reversal. This corner was when the field was really hauling booty. Everything strung out in eschelon, and the T-Mobile lady expected me to roll over and concede her the line. I held my ground and played the game of 'how close do you REALLY want to get to that curb, missy', which meant that in the end I got the jump on the better line to the corner. The pros will almost always pick on the 3s as easy targets; fortunately I've been working on this.
speaking of holding/conceding your line, I got a goodbill
Jul 16, 2003 10:41 AM
tongue lashing for this last week, and I think that the guy was mostly right but maybe not entirely.
Ok, bell lap. Maybe fifteen guys bunched up, setting up for the sprint, heading from a broad straight through a 90 degree turn to a narrower road. So, turn, bottleneck. We were maybe four across. I was second from the outside with a slight advantage over the guy on the outside. Guy on the outside barks, "Everybody hold their line!" Following the don't-think-about-the-elephant-in-the-corner rule, I probably did go a bit wide. Bumped the guy. Neither of us went down, but we wobbled, I at least unclipped, and the race was up the road.
Guy was royally ticked. I was a bit more philosophical, glad as I was to have remained upright and finished that hot, fast race at all (we shed probably 2/3 to 3/4 of the riders). But, was he right? Should I have kept a smooth circular arc determined by my place in the road as we began the turn by just pushing like the dickens on the inside drop? Did I have any discretion to do the cut the apex off thing by squaring off the turn, as I wanted to at 27 or whatever it was? Did he have any obligation to yeild? Do I need to go back to cornering school?
I ate lots of crow and apologized, but, frankly, more because he was so upset and for the sake of general good humor than real remorse; geez, I didn't go THAT wide.
That's racin'!Dale Brigham
Jul 16, 2003 11:45 AM
Bill:

You did just fine. Your opponent put himself in the wrong spot, and he paid for it. You are under no obligation to get your opponent out of a fix he/she has put him/herself into. This is what happens to a guy (or gal) who rides with their mouth, instead of his (her) legs. If your opponent did not want to mix it up in the bend, he should have been in front of the parade.

I used to get a big kick out of those riders who "bark" out commands to other riders who are not their teammates ("They're getting up the road!"; "Pull through!"; "Let me through!"). Those guys became my target for the rest of the race. Maybe I wasn't going to win, but I'd make sure as hell they were not.

Ignore the loudmouths, and keep having fun!

Dale
LOL!No_sprint
Jul 16, 2003 11:54 AM
No doubt. F$#K those guys. That's sprinting. I love the guys inside me on turns lappin' my rear and then yelling because I'm taking the turn so tight. LOL "Get off my wheel pal if you suck so bad!"

Guys order me to take a pull, I just laugh right in their face. Sorry pal, I like wheelsucking, you don't like to pull, fine, the next moron that does into the headwind will have me jump right on! There's no shortage of those guys! I'll pull if I'm in a break that I want to succeed.
But isn't holding your line in corners a cardinal rule?hrv
Jul 17, 2003 8:45 AM
Especially if you end up crashing someone out? Someone did that to me not too long ago at a corner which was 500m before the finish line and I was in the best position I've been all season. We were going about 31,32 mph and was bumped into and my race was over right there, but luckily no one crashed. My words were a little stronger than "Well, that's racing" to the guy!

Holding your line in corners should be second nature and I have to work on it constantly by doing drills every week. It'll pay off especially when you are tired at the end of a race and your motor skills are getting shakey. My biggest fear in racing is not crashing but causing someone else to crash by not holding my line.

I've been told many times to hold my line and they were right and have been working on it ever since.

hrv
It is good pack etiquette; it is not a rule.Dale Brigham
Jul 17, 2003 12:11 PM
Yes, all riders should attempt to ride as safely as possible and not intentionally impede the progress of others (paraphrasing the rulebook there). But, unintentionally swinging a bit wide on a bend is not a punishable offense.

Positioning in the pack is critical to road racing performance, particularly near the finish. Often, the fight for good position near the end of a race is tougher than the actual sprint. Why such a tussle? So that you can have a clear path to the finish line, which gives you a chance to win (or place highly). Of course, everybody knows this, so everybody fights for the perfect position (near the front, but not on the front). Unless you are Moses (or Charton Heston), the bunch is not going to magically part for you to come through.

The pros fight like hell for position near the finish (see the many crashes in the TdF), and I'm sure you did in your recent race, too. If someone is inside you on the last turn, assume they might swing wide and take you out, either intentionally or unintentionally. If you want to be dead certain to get through that last corner unimpaired, you have to be on or near the front and on the inside of the bunch in the turn. Otherwise, you take your chances.

From what my friends who have raced professionally in Europe tell me, we are much more polite and civilized over here (the States), and they are much more aggressive and cutthroat over there about pack positioning. I only know that some of them boys on the old 7-11 team seemed plenty aggressive to me when they put me into the curb. That's racin!

Dale
Dale's rightlonefrontranger
Jul 16, 2003 4:13 PM
You need to cultivate the ability to selectively go deaf in these situation. Screaming at someone else is typically a sign of fear and/or weakness. He only got ticked off at you because he was freaked out - sounds like he needs to go back to school and learn to settle down in the field.

If you were in front you had the right-of-way anyway. Dude needs to take a chill pill, and next time it bunches up like that on the bell lap, it's probably a good sign you need to just attack the bejeesus outa them.
I was planning on attacking just past that turn. I'm in mybill
Jul 17, 2003 6:52 AM
second season of racing, and I think because of that and my age (44), I have an overdeveloped survival instinct. I was taking no chances in the corners, and I was happy to be surviving, until the last two laps. As a result, I was always in the back of the pack. The pack, however, shrank from about 70 guys to twenty through the course of the race, meaning that I was riding the back because I'm a chicken sh*t. I still had some gas left, and I thought that I could have moved up pretty well in the last km or so.
I realize that that is one of the biggest hurdles of racing -- trusting your body to know that you are going to survive (and, if you don't, it's not a whole lot worse than sitting in and not racing).
No More Please!BrokenSpoke
Jul 16, 2003 10:58 AM
Not to sound mean but your continous self promotion is getting a bit old on this board. As far as the pics go, like it or not you stole the pics from the photographers website. Enough riders do this and bye bye photographer. They are in it to make a living, not to allow you to promote yourself by steling their work. Shame on you.
wait a minute. whatever "promotion" LFR does on this boardbill
Jul 16, 2003 11:07 AM
is accomplished by her knowledge and insight and generosity. No one would care about her pics if it were otherwise. She is an RBR treasure, and one of the primary reasons to hang around. If she were promoting something other than sharing pics with folks she thought were her friends, I can't imagine what it is she is promoting. Unlike some, who use this board to promote business interests or whatever (who is the guy with the Timetrial.org deal? I don't want to get personal, because he does contribute, but what is that about?), Beth seems about racing and riding bikes and helping out others who share her interests. Nothing more, nothing less.
As for stealing, that's why they have the big ol' PROOF across the front. You can't really steal it, because it doesn't have any value. You want the one without the "proof," you pay. You think that the photographer is a dope?
wait a minute. whatever "promotion" LFR does on this boardBrokenSpoke
Jul 16, 2003 11:28 AM
Agreed, the photographer is not a dope which is why "Proof" is stamped on the photo. However, she gives the photographer no recognition either by name or by posting a link to his / her website. At a minimum, if she is going to use his / her work, she should provide some acknowledgement. As far as her contributions, when she limits her discussions to aiding other riders and providing insight, I agree, she does offer some insight. However I draw the line when she continually posts pics of her at local Colorado races with captions that basically state "Look at me racing against the Pro 123 Women" 'Wow, look how well I placed" ect.........
and who here doesn't engage in a little of that? Maybe evenbill
Jul 16, 2003 11:33 AM
as much as we can? Isn't that at least part of the reason for coming here? To be part of a community that gives a sh*t about this aspect of our lives, because lord knows no one else does?
There is a line here, that I submit has not been crossed. Tone is notoriously difficult to detect from electronic transmissions. I say, give her the benefit of the doubt.
Regarding the photographer and the picture companyNo_sprint
Jul 16, 2003 11:35 AM
Around here most of the time, the photographer gets paid to TAKE the pictures. The company does the selling afterwards. They freely published those photos on their website. They are fully knowledgeable that that image is now free reign for the world. Yes, I do know there are solo photographers who act as their own company and they do indeed do the exact same thing and know exactly what they're doing.

Check out photocrazy.com for a billion bike racing pics. Download any you want, buy any you want.

Regarding Beth, she is awesome, the more pics she posts, the better, the more racing experience and knowledge she shares the better. Absolutely one of the best DG participants around.
Furthermore...No_sprint
Jul 16, 2003 11:37 AM
Many of these companies don't even mention anywhere who takes the pics they are selling.
are you jealous or something?The Human G-Nome
Jul 17, 2003 8:29 AM
what would cause one to take exception to someone posting pics of themselves in a race. the posting clearly states what the picture will reveal. each posting comes with a caption and yet you gladly waste your precious time looking at the pics and reading the posts. if you don't like it, guess what pal? no one is holding a gun to your head. don't read it you freakin' moron. gesssh.
lighten up, FrancisDougSloan
Jul 22, 2003 7:20 AM
If anyone direct links to the photos, there is no infringement. So, even if someone copied, it's essentially the same thing. Sounds like "fair use" to me.

If you don't want to hear about people's racing, for God's sake don't visit this forum. That's the sole reason I think most of us are here, and most of us actually request that LFR and others tell their stories.

LFR, I hope you ignore this guy. Keep doing what you are doing.

Doug
Son, don't make me come over there...Dale Brigham
Jul 16, 2003 11:58 AM
... and tatoo your skull with my Campy-headed Silca. LFR (You Go, Girlfriend!) has as much right as the rest of us knuckleheads here on RBR to trumpet our victories and seek solace in our defeats. This is an ego-driven board -- a vanity press for two-wheelers. Most of us on RBR revel in the exploits of our fellows. If you do not, kindly suffer in silence.

Geez, if some guy can rhapsodize about his shiny new Trek, and some doofus in MO (me) can bore everyone to tears with self-serving accounts of brevets to nowhere, can't LFR share her racing triumphs with us?

Dale
I'll hold him down for you. (nm)shirt
Jul 17, 2003 9:39 PM
Quit yer whinin'...willin
Jul 16, 2003 12:56 PM
LFR's the best contributer here. I and no doubt many other lurkers visit hoping for more. Regarding the photos, man that's just silly. Big ol sunglasses over everyone's face...and ya gotta have an ego to win a sprint...
Appreciative Lurker here... Keep kickin ass! : ) ....nm....rockbender
Jul 17, 2003 7:55 PM
I happen to know that this photog gets VERY well paid just to show uplonefrontranger
Jul 16, 2003 4:09 PM
...else I would not post his crappy thumbnails. Furthermore the website these are posted on (not his personal, and shall remain nameless) gives absolutely no photographer credit and charges something like $5 apiece for 3x5 prints that take forever to get to the requestor via snailmail. These are low quality proofs that are merely posted for the benefit of folks who may or may not believe I exist. Some here have followed my progression and I'd hoped they might find some inspiration in the fact that a racer who comprehensively SUCKED for ten years has finally gotten her legs underneath her, compliments of some good coaching. I'm personally pretty stoked about my season, considering last year I mostly couldn't finish top 50% in a Cat 4 women's field. Sounds like someone's jealous.
don't feed troll. nmweiwentg
Jul 16, 2003 7:29 PM
Brokenspoke, you are way off base...Sharkman
Jul 16, 2003 9:19 PM
Beth is about the best thing going on this racing board. I always enjoy her posts and her progress to one very new to racing is very inspiring. Moreover, I believe that she posts out of a desire to help others by sharing experience, and not out of ego.

There have been others on this board who post exploits out of ego. We all know who they are, and that Beth is not one of them.

If you don't like her posts, just dont read them.

SM
LFR = MVCjesse1
Jul 19, 2003 3:50 AM
That's Most Valuable Contributor to you. I, like many others who don't have the time to read all that's posted, ALLWAYS take the time to read LFRs posts.
I've NEVER seen one that I haven't learned something from.
Self promotion? I just don't see it. Her posts seem to me to be pretty dern humble.
And for some reason, I don't expect any of these pics with a big "PROOF" pasted across them will end up on the livingroom wall.
LoneFrontRanger (LFR) - Please don't stop!
BrokenSpoke (BS?)hmmm, interesting..lighten up!
I love photos! I love race reports! More, more more!CritLover
Jul 16, 2003 8:09 PM
Personally, I love reading all this stuff. I love to hear about everyone's struggles and triumphs. Not to mention how inspiring it is to hear when someone's hard work finally pays off. Even when I'm riding like s$#t, I enjoy reading these stories. Besides, LFR's reports rock!

And for pics, I'd love to see what all you folks look like. Unfortunately, it's hard to get good race photos of yourself (unless you meet a fellow RBR'er who snaps photos of you- thanks again BiknBen).
re: found these pics...Spiderman
Jul 16, 2003 8:22 AM
Jeez, never seen THOSE sunglasses before, aren't they a bit cumbersome?
re: found these pics...Spiderman
Jul 16, 2003 8:26 AM
ah nuts, ignore my previous post, hell ignore this one too. My crappy joke didn't even work the way it was supposed to. I'm a jackass...
I got it.brider
Jul 16, 2003 9:18 AM
Actually pretty funny.
You should have said "on picture #1 "MR_GRUMPY
Jul 16, 2003 11:48 AM
Keep up the good work LFR.
I never get any photos, because I'm always the little dot at the back of the field.
A teammate rather excitedly sent me a picture of myself thatbill
Jul 16, 2003 12:35 PM
I guess his girlfriend took. The picture shows me all alone. Now, this would be cool if the other riders were not in the picture because they were behind me (as would be the case in the pictures of my teammate, who finished with a chase break). I happen to know, however, that the little bit of wheel you see in front of me is the NEXT to last rider in the pack. Now, I am not ashamed of this at all, because probably 60-70 guys started and only 22 finished, and I was #20 even after bumping a guy, unclipping, and losing the pack on the third to last turn (as above), but it is also hard to get too excited about it.