|Tubular vs. Clincher||8cht|
Jun 18, 2003 11:32 AM
|I want to build up a new wheelset for racing and have been considering going tubular with Mavic Reflex rims. Any opinions on tubular vs. clincher is appreciated for a race wheel as I'm not sure whether I want to commit to a tubular wheelset. Thanks.|
|go with the clincher rim.||niteschaos|
Jun 18, 2003 6:29 PM
|I built a reflex racing wheelset and it rode so nicely that I wanted to ride it in the fast group rides, but I didn't have the extra spare tubular or the sewing kit in case I got a flat. There are many high performance and light clincher options out there. Also you can do like what I'm doing now and try the Tufo Tubular-clinchers on your clincher rims if you want to try tubulars. So far I like the flexibility of being able to run clinchers, but the Tufo Special S33's feel so good right now that I'm not in a hurry to experiment with the other clinchers out there.|
|go with the clincher rim.||Cat 3 boy|
Jun 19, 2003 6:56 AM
|You cannot beat the feel of tubulars for racing. So what if you flat, in a race you'll need a new wheel, you aren't going to change a tube by the roadside whether it's a clincher or a tubular!
Good tubs, ie Vittoria CX will wear out before they puncture (in my experience). Having said that I'm sure many others will contradict me ;)
PS if you do flat at least you can still ride safely on the rim of a tubular.
|I'd vote tubies for your race wheels||climbo|
Jun 19, 2003 9:04 AM
|I ride them and train on them and they are the best !|
|re: Tubular vs. Clincher||dotkaye|
Jun 19, 2003 9:28 AM
|Just bought some second-hand race wheels for triathlons, aero carbon tubulars. I wouldn't do it again.. The whole magical mystery tour of cleaning/prepping the rims, glueing over several days, stretching and straightening the tire on the rim, etc etc is such a PITA. Good tires are significantly pricier than good clinchers. A flat requires yet more arcane knowledge, to unpick and resew the tire. After all that, I confess I feel no difference in the ride between tubs/clinchers, though it's likely the wheels themselves are so different from my training wheels that any tubular effect is overwhelmed.
I can't think of any reason to run tubulars these days. The only reason I bought mine was that there aren't many clincher deep aero wheels in the second-hand market..
|Tubular aero wheels are significantly lighter...||hammer_cycle|
Jun 19, 2003 8:46 PM
|The main reason to go with tubular rims these days is the fact that since there is no weak area needed to grab a clincher tire, the shape of a tubular is inherently stronger and results in a much lighter wheel.
Case in point... zip 303 wheels. I believe a set of 303 clinchers weigh in at 1450grams a pair vs sub 1150 for a pair of 303 tubulars. That is a very significant difference. I believe the same applies for most high end wheelsets. Its odd that wheelsets like the Kysiriums are not made significantly lighter in their tubular format, but at least the more aero carbon rims from other manufacturers are definitely significantly lighter.
Jul 10, 2003 2:20 AM
|I have heard that Tufo tape reduces the fitting problem. I pressume it can be attacted to a spare tyre for road side repairs. Tufo's run sealant in their tub's which seems a good idea (It works for Stan on MTB tubless tyres).
As pointed out their seams little wieght differnce in the metal rimed wheel between the two systems compaired to Carbon wheelsets. I think this is because Carbon clinchers have a metal braking surface/attachment area bonded on to them. Though Mavic Carbones have a metal surface on both Tubs and clinchers. I have heard that a carbon breaking surface is not very good (I think they heat up) and the wear to the specially required pads can be high. I have also read that some carbon surfaces are not as well aligned as there metal counter parts. I got a lot of this from a bike test by Chris Boardman (not a carbon wheel fan). Some of the comments where based on the 'Lightweight' Carbon wheels - which are among the most costly. Thought seeing how many Pro's use them (including Lance and Jan), particularly in the Mountains they must have plenty of Fan's.