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530am 2hr rides on coffee, no weight loss??titansprodigal
Jun 3, 2003 3:54 PM
Mind you these are base mileage rides. I'm incorporating 3hr race pace rides on the weekend, once p/wk. I'm 5.9 160lbs, last race season i was 149. I was 165 a month ago but i just cant seem to lose any more weight. I've put on some mass in my upper body from last winter workouts and it wont go away either. Most of the weight shows in my gut, i hate it. My first race is in 3.5wks, my times are good but they'd be better w/ less wt, i refuse to show up at ther race w/ a gut. Im putting in 10hrs a week and even riding during my lunch hr. I dont eat junk food. If i cut my calorie intake im afraid that it will hurt my riding. The 530am wkouts are already sapping my energy by evening.
I eat very healthy and stay away from all sodas and sweets. I allow one day out of seven that i eat fast food and thats it. I'm 36. Is the a.m workouts screwing my metabolisim up? I just dont have time to eat breakfast, i chow down a protien shake, w/ tofu and a bannana and no more. Last year i could lose five lbs in two wks, eating like crap.
It's total calories, not time of dayKerry
Jun 3, 2003 5:58 PM
Your weight gain/loss is due to the total of calories in and calories out over the day, and over the week. Likely if you lost 5 lb in 2 weeks last year, a bunch of it was water, not fat. You can't expect the upper body mass to go away quickly, and if you don't want it, why do the weight work? If your body fat is relatively low already, then your body will fight to avoid more fat loss. The fact that you're feeling flat suggests that you're not getting enough calories - maybe trying to lose weight too fast and have put your body into a conservation mode. Stop obsessing and start figuring out your carb/protein/fat ratios plus total calories. Work from that point, not by trying to train without food.
titansprodigal is trying a technique...Frith
Jun 3, 2003 6:18 PM
That I first read about on this board. The idea being that If you do your miles before your first intake of food that your body is forced to use a larger percentage of energy from fat stores. He or she is also coupling the pre-food workout with the idea that caffine will also aid in the recruitment of fat stores. It's something that I've thought seriously about trying... Interesting to note that it isn't working though. Any ideas why?
Has it worked for anybodytriple shot espresso
Jun 4, 2003 8:11 AM
My impression is that if your body is not getting the right food and you are basically starving that when you do it you metabolize a greater percentage of the calories you eat into fat.
bad techniquejstonebarger
Jun 4, 2003 8:40 AM
Sounds similar to a technique from Dr. Andy Pruitt and featured in Bicycling magazine a few months ago, but...

The idea is to gently nudge your metabolism with some easy exercise first thing in the morning while blood glycogen levels are low. In theory, this will push your body into fat-burning mode for the rest of the day.

However, the effort must be easy and short (20-30 minutes), or you will simply lose all energy for later, quality work.
It's total calories, not time of daytitansprodigal
Jun 4, 2003 5:53 PM
Stop obsessing and start figuring out your carb/protein/fat ratios plus total calories. Work from that point, not by trying to train without food.

good pt, however i really have no spare time esp for counting calories or fat grams. I'm a student, riding, studying, family, social obligation and working full time leaves me zero time and little sleep.
People are quick to judge such are those below. Had i known i would have been judged and critized i would have kept my mouth shut. Or been less discriptive.

Explain "family" obligations, do you have kids? (nm)53T
Jun 11, 2003 12:01 PM
Jun 3, 2003 8:08 PM
Why the he11 do you care what your gut looks like? You actually won't show up at a race because you fill out your jersey more than you'd like? What are you racing for? You just said your times are good! And why are you training so early, so you can get back in time to watch The View?

Get Thee to the Starting Line and Race, boy.

HEY SALLYjim gravity
Jun 4, 2003 8:18 AM
yeah, what he said.

And next winter, don't do those awesome gym routines that got you up to 165lbs!
re: 530am 2hr rides on coffee, no weight loss??mtber
Jun 4, 2003 8:55 AM
Believe it or not, it is a technique that many pro,1,2 racers practice (however usually in the winter base period) with good results. The problem may lie in what and when you eat for the rest of the day. If you do not get enough total calories your body will go into a conservation mode (ie slow your metabolism) and you will not lose weight. You need to make sure you are getting adequate calories preferably in 5-6 meals throughout the day. Another option would be to up your protein intake (at least 160 g/day) while trying to lose weight and to make sure you are getting plenty of good fats (EFAs) - ~6grams per day.

And give the guy a break - 5:30 AM rides show a lot of dedication - maybe he has work and family commitments and doesn't have the whole day to ride at his leisure!
A break? Are you kidding?shirt
Jun 4, 2003 9:18 AM
As punishment for such a brazen display of profile-gazing vanity I was going to suggest he go the rest of the season without shaving his legs, add a loaded 25 year-old leather toolbag to his saddle, and pop a rearview mirror onto his Pneumo.

On mirrorshrv
Jun 4, 2003 9:51 AM
There was a stage race in my town over the weekend and a winner of one of the stages had a helmet mirror. To quote an online race report:

...O'Neill said , "Glenn got a gap. I made it about halfway to him. He saw me in his helmet mirror and went into time trial mode. He was gone."

No reports on stage winners with leather toolbags or hairy legs, however.

alright - I guess Im w/ you on the vanity part (nm)mtber
Jun 4, 2003 10:01 AM
re: right on the headtitansprodigal
Jun 4, 2003 5:35 PM
You got that right on the head. No time, i ride in the a.m or im just not able to train secondary to family and obligations.
re: I'm in the same boat - stick with it!James OCLV
Jun 5, 2003 3:03 AM
I also train at ~5-6am - same reasons as you...

You have to realize that trying to loose weight while trying to gain RACE fitness is very, very tough. This is why most athletes choose the Base period to loose their extra few lbs. of flab.

The reason that this is so tough is that the high-intensity workouts that produce race fitness demand a lot of energy from your body. Likewise, you need to eat a lot (quality food) to allow your body to fully recouperate and reap the benefits of your training. If you short-change your calories now, you are really doing yourself a double disservice. You won't recover as well, and you won't have enough energy to push your body as hard as you need to.

If you're really that concerned about the extra flab, maybe you should consider delaying your racing and trying to get in more base work. By keeping your intensity at a relatively low level, you don't put too much of a demand on your body and likewise can lower your caloric intake to a level that will produce weight loss.

IMHO, that's the only real solution. Otherwise, if your times are good and you feel good, race with the extra flab and have some fun!
re: I'm in the same boat - stick with it!titansprodigal
Jun 5, 2003 9:12 AM
thx james, i've lost another lb, ive just got to keep going. Im not cutting any calories but i am eating healthy. Intervals sessions have started so it wont be long.
re: I'm in the same boat - stick with it!jim gravity
Jun 5, 2003 9:35 AM
to be more helpful than I was above, I recommend bringing breakfast on the bike. I do this 1 or 2 times a week. I bring a granola bar or nutra-grain type thing. Sometimes PB&J. Sometimes gatorade or juice. I don't touch it until at least an hour into the ride. You do need to burn a little bit of sugar to be able to burn fat. Your liver an muscles are going to be nearly depleted in the morning if you're trying to lose weight and you're riding on empty every day. After an hour and a half of riding, you're almost empty. Taking in some food feels good. It's especially important to make sure you have lots of energy for your hard days, when you start doing don't do those on empty.
re: I'm in the same boat - stick with it!James OCLV
Jun 13, 2003 6:59 AM
Another thing to consider is to try focusing on body comp. as opposed to weight.

If you eat a diet that consists mostly of lean meat, fruit and veggies (except for before, during and after hard workouts/races), you'll be able to get enough food and your body comp. AND weight will drop.

Basically, avoid starches MOST of the time.