|Paging LFR and anybody else that's done motorpacing||Swat Dawg|
May 28, 2003 7:21 PM
|I just started riding with a new partner whose brother owns a trick motorcycle. We have thoughts of setting up some motorpacing sessions but don't know what to do during these sessions. I searched around online and haven't found any good answers describing different motorpacing training sessions or what motorpacing should be used to train. I have the Ed Burke "Serious Cycling" that mentions it in a paragraph. It says that motorpacing should be used to work on sprints and slingshotting around the motorcycle to simulate the lead out. I know there must be more to it than that. So alas, I am back to inquiring at the place where I know somebody can give a descent answer. If there is a website that someone knows of that discusses this in some detail that would be really helpful too. Thanks|
May 29, 2003 6:10 AM
|Does his brother actually know how to motorpace someone? One of the ugliest crashes I've seen was a guy pacing a motorcycle and the motor decided to hit the brakes to avoid a squirrel! Needless to say, they both went down hard.
Motorpacing is used to aid in the ability to turn over that big gears at a high cadence. We use a motorcyle and a station wagon for the lead vehicle. You must remember, a five minute session will do little for you. Find a relatively straight, flat road, with little traffic that's at least 5 miles long. Or a loop with some easy turns, so the motor can go ahead throught the turns, making you chase back on. The motor should be going at a decent clip (30+)
We'll do 20 to 30 minute sessions behind the pace vehicle. At the end of each session, the driver will SLOWLY ramp up the speed until we get burned off. Usually around 45 mph.
If the scooter is employed, we can usually come around it at certain sprint points.
Come up with some kind of hand signals to communicate with the driver so you know what the other is doing. Be VERY aware of the motorcycle's back tire! If you hit it at 30+, you will get hurt! We put an old roller on the back of the scooter, so if you got too close, you'd hit the roller and it would spin.
It's fun at it really makes you concentrate on what you are doing. Once a week is more than enough if you do two or three sessions per ride.
|Thanks, that's helpful. nm||Swat Dawg|
May 30, 2003 8:25 AM
|yes, but also!||rollo tommassi|
Jun 4, 2003 12:05 PM
|This is a trust exercise that endangers both of your lives, so be careful! Do not attempt at full speed at first try. Agree on a speed (18mph? 22?): the driver must learn to control his bike at such a slow speed, and you must learn to not touch the moto. How big is your friends' bike? A large cc bike may be uncontrollable at slow speed.
Trust also demands communication. You will need signals to communicate - hand signals for the driver (you can't hear him), and verbal for the rider (he can't see you!). Simple, one word commands like "Up" for faster, or "Down" for slower. The driver must hand signal if he is speeding up, or down, or changing line to avoid a road hazard.
Make absolutely certain that the driver understands that they MUST accelerate away from you, to end the session or avoid a hazard, and NOT touch the brakes EVER.
lastly, with a wink '), try to find a place to do this where the police won't notice.
|Merckx56 has you covered||brider|
May 29, 2003 10:23 AM
|Pretty thoroughly at that.|
|I like to taste the pain!(nm)||merckx56|
May 29, 2003 11:14 AM
|re: Paging LFR and anybody else that's done motorpacing||Matt Britter|
May 30, 2003 11:33 AM
|I have been part of a group that did regular pacing from a scooter. One twist to the above we used the scooter to pace us up to 30-32mph then did a rotating pace line (one pull each) scooter did also rotate thought. The scooter of course did longer pulls to speed us back to 32mph, we would recover ~45 secs then rotate again.
|re: Paging LFR and anybody else that's done motorpacing||rogue_CT1|
Jun 6, 2003 6:41 PM
|Check out timetrial.org. They have a new TT training program that utilizes motorpacing. The program gives a decent description on the hows and whys.|| |