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ever done a TTT? or organised one?(10 posts)

ever done a TTT? or organised one?climbo
Apr 30, 2003 4:39 AM
There's one here in a month my team is training for. ALl is going well but I had some concerns with the promotion of it. 28 mile loop, nice course, 5 turns.

Problem is, I asked about our team (and others) having a follow vehicle for safety purposes and mechanical support. Officials told the promoter it is not possible unless every car has an official in it (USCF Rule). Now I know rules are rules but this means that there will be teams of 4 riders at 2 minute intervals on a course with NO support if they get a flat. PLUS, they cannot stop all cars getting on the roads in a 28 mile loop so, wouldn't a follow vehicle be safer? At least the cars coming from behind would have to slow down before they decided to pass.

Long walk home if you flat 15 miles in to the race. Maybe they could have a sweeper van continually going around the course but they haven't thought of this either.

Any ideas that I could put to the promoter?
re: ever done a TTT? or organised one?brider
Apr 30, 2003 5:34 AM
Sweeper van is probably a good idea.

The thing to do is to make the announcement before the start that the road IS NOT closed to traffic, and that the riders are responsible to ensure they don't pull off into a car when come off the front of the paceline. Have traffic control at the corners.

Part of the problem with follow cars is passing: How would one team pass another? Really creates more danger to the riders to have them there.

There are a couple 3-man TTs around here, and I've done a few two-man TTs.
Agreed,TJeanloz
Apr 30, 2003 7:10 AM
Either a sweeper van, or neutral pits along the course makes sense for a loop. As for the follow car, it's pretty unnecessary, and a tempting way to cheat.
Agreed,climbo
Apr 30, 2003 8:53 AM
I'm not sure it's absolutely the wrong thing to do, have follow cars. Maybe it's not the most practical in terms of other teams having to pass, but, if you have to pass an eschelon of 4 other riders on the other side of the road, that's not safe either, whether or not there is a car to go around also. Either way, it should be interesting if anyone does get a flat/mechanical and they haven't added a sweeper van, could be a LONG ridw/walk to that pit.
flatsDougSloan
Apr 30, 2003 7:31 AM
I think you just need to use more durable tires (like Tufo S3 215s) , and maybe inject sealant, to avoid a tire problem to begin with. Plus, each might need to carry a spare and co2 inflator. Sure, that's not the way the pros do it, but we aren't pros.

Nonetheless, there should at least be a sweeper car, so no one gets stranded.

Doug
flatsclimbo
Apr 30, 2003 8:47 AM
I do use sealant myself so I hope to not have a problem. I know the course very well also. I'm sure the promoter will have someone stranded out there at some point who gets lost so I think the sweeper van is needed. Even with the van, looping around a 28 mile course will take about an hour each lap, so it could still be a lonely day out there if you flat.
re: ever done a TTT? or organised one?yeah right
Apr 30, 2003 8:13 AM
how many start and how many have to finish? we start 4 and have to have three finish. in a ttt there's no way you'd stop period if a guy gets a flat, unless it could get changed in 10 seconds or less. the rules of the race organizers seem reasonable to me, as that's how all the ones i've done have been organized.
They should have corner workers.MR_GRUMPY
Apr 30, 2003 11:46 AM
I've done 100K 4 men and 50K 2 men. If one team member flats, the other three go on. He might have to wait 30-45 minutes to get picked up. If you ride clinchers, carry a tube and a CO2 cart w/ tire levers. Then you won't have to wait.
Some ideasKerry Irons
Apr 30, 2003 6:33 PM
First, if you flat in a 28 mile TT, the minute + you lose will likely drop you from contention anyway, so why worry about it? Second, the USCF rule does require an official in each follow car. What we did when we used to run a longer TTT was to require each team to supply someone to ride in another team's follow car. The lead referee seemed to think this was OK and "deputized" these folks after a short training session. Each one got a check list to keep track of any potential violations by the follow car. This was in a much longer event, so it made more sense.
Some ideasclimbo
May 1, 2003 4:34 AM
i'm not worried about it, I'm just trying to help the promoter avoid potentially angry riders who get lost out there and end up walking 10 miles by giving him some ideas on what to do. They are first timers at this.

If someone flats in the first 10 miles, i'd say that it may be worth a wheel change to keep 4 guys on the road. But, later in the race, not worth it. Especially if you have to finish with 3, lose one more and you're out of the race.