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Finish line proceduressuperdog
Apr 8, 2003 7:09 PM
As I sit here writing this post I am absolutely livid about the procedures our organization uses to keep track of our local points series races. Let me explain and then tell me if I am full of it. In our points series races we were asked to come back to the scorer's table after the finish to report our place, that is, if we thought we had finished in the top ten. There are points series competitors and open competitors in the same race. Only the cyclists with race numbers are eligible for points. We are supposed to keep track of our place and report it or we don't get any points. This seems absurd to me. I am new to competitive cycling but I have run competitively for 15 years and I have never heard of a situation where the competitor is responsible for keeping track of his own place. At the end of a race I am concentrating on things like working the team strategy, riding in a straight line, keeping my head up for possible problems etc. and now they are telling me I also have to keep track of everybody's place? This seems weird. Is this normal?
cheese ballB123
Apr 8, 2003 8:49 PM
That's pretty cheesy. Generally the top 10 know their places...but not if there are multiple categories racing together.

How many officials do they have, it would probably take 3 or 4 to pick a tight finish? A camera would solve all that though.
officials?superdog
Apr 9, 2003 8:46 AM
I think they have one official.
That's ridiculousRockyMountainRacer
Apr 9, 2003 10:27 AM
I've never been in a race where they don't have camera's at the finish (or at least several officials), and many of them out here have chip timing now.
I've done finishes with 50 riders neck and neckDougSloan
Apr 9, 2003 10:59 AM
I've done some where I couldn't tell you if I were 2nd or 50th, not to mention the fact that my brain is on "reptilian mode" during a sprint finish. Last thing I can do is count other riders who may be left and right of me.

Maybe all they are really asking, though, is to report what you "believe," so they can track the points. I assume they have some sort of officiating to determine finish places, too.

Doug
Nopesuperdog
Apr 9, 2003 12:23 PM
You go to the table and tell the lady what place you got and then you go home. After the first race I didn't know you were supposed to do that and I left without ever knowing that I was throwing away my points.

Well, I don't feel so bad now. At least I feel vindicated for being mad about the whole situation.
This is easy, then. You won! nmDougSloan
Apr 9, 2003 12:39 PM
This sounds to me like crit practiceNo_sprint
Apr 9, 2003 1:02 PM
There's a series down here called the El Dorado series. It's Tues/Thurs nights, non-USCF. I believe there is some kind of licensing organization, likely just for this series because they probably wouldn't be able to run it/permit it in the park without. I've never done it but remember hearing that there are no cameras, no active officiating, no PA system, no nothin'. There's a sign up table with the *official* and it's pretty much ref and score yourself.

We call it crit practice.

There are likely some that take it quite seriously and don't do any racing but it.

I wouldn't worry about. Treat it as practice for your Sunday USCF events.
Too much umbrageKerry
Apr 9, 2003 4:47 PM
You should consider that this is (or at least sure sounds like) a relatively informal racing environment, closer to a training crit than to a true sanctioned race. To do a good job of finish line sorting takes a good camera and quite a few folks. If this is an informal racing series, then the decision may have been made that the resources can't be justified. How big a deal is this race? How much are the fees, and what are the prizes? In our local TT series, everybody reports their own time, because anyone who might be doing the timing would rather be riding the TT. You can lie all you like, but no one seems to.
Too much umbragesuperdog
Apr 9, 2003 7:34 PM
This is the main crit series in my city. I paid well over $200 for a number and pre-registration fees for this series. I think they run from March through mid September. Maybe this format is normal and I'm just not used to it. Coming from a running background, I've never seen a race handled this way before. I have a lot to learn.
How many racesKerry
Apr 10, 2003 5:12 PM
If it's $200 for 5 races, you're getting ripped off with the level of officiating. If it's $200 for 20 races, well it's hard to say how much "service" you should be getting for $10 per race. Also, what's the prize list? All things to factor in when you ask what your value proposition is.
How many racessuperdog
Apr 10, 2003 8:01 PM
One race per week from March through September. It comes out to $7 per race. There are no cash prizes only primes - maybe a six pack of sports drink or some presta tubes etc. I don't expect something for nothing but I did expect to get get an accurate allotment of points. I just don't see how that can happen when the participants are self scoring.
re: Finish line procedureskenyonCycleist
Apr 9, 2003 7:40 PM
u wouldn't happen to be from pittsburgh pA by any chance?
Not from PA areasuperdog
Apr 9, 2003 9:07 PM
Nope, I'm not from PA. I'm west of the Rockies. Are your races handled the same as what I described?
Not from PA areakenyonCycleist
Apr 10, 2003 5:16 PM
a couple years back the local training crit was kinda likes that..they did have a camera though..dunno worry abouts what place u are in the sprint..although if u worried about not being seen it might help to ride as close to the official as possible
re: Finish line proceduresbrider
Apr 10, 2003 11:10 AM
That is by far the most ridiculous system for any entry-fee/prize-money racing that I've ever heard of. That organization wouldn't even be putting on a second race in this neck of the woods.