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Euro Racing, Helmet WearingCharlesTT
Mar 12, 2003 10:56 PM
Ok, was this message board around when Fabio died in the TDF? Probably not. He certainly wasn't wearing a helmet. He was also a wife with kids. Not to mention quite an accomplished cyclist. So according to shirt, Fabio was an idiot too.

Also, the last posting for the Moment for Kivilev thing said something like, "They should have to wear a helmet all the time, except for uphill finishes." OK, lets see, the most dangerous crashes and the majority of euro-pro deaths happen on the descents that lead to an uphill finish. I think they should require helmets at all time, including uphill. Most racers are already smart enough to wear a helmet all the time on flat days. Almost nobody, including LA, wears a helmet for the uphill finish days, for the entire stage.
Correction, Charles.shirt
Mar 13, 2003 12:41 AM
I didn't call anyone an idiot. I called them stupid. I chose my words very carefully, with the hope of sparking as much anger and disgust as possible, without stepping beyond my own pale. Seeing as you've started a new thread, it's apparently worked.

And since your post, I've widened the embrace of my insults to include everyone in the pro peloton who doesn't wear a helmet. I even insulted Lance directly! (the crowd gasps)

Regarding the performance advantages of wearing/not wearing a helmet, I think it's common knowledge that a light-colored helmet actually keeps your head cooler than no helmet at all. I can't remember who did the tests, but it involved a bunch of mini-thermometers and the conclusion was as I've just stated.

/shirt
Shirt, why be such an @$$?brider
Mar 13, 2003 2:43 PM
Look, I agree with you completely about the helmet issue. I've always worn one. While I don't understand the pros not wearing helmets, I agree that it's a personal choice, their perogative. The rules don't require it (thankfully the USCF does, and the refs are free to DQ a rider for even WARMING UP without a helmet). And yes, Kivilev's life may well have been saved by wearing a helmet.

But to call a dead man stupid serves no purpose, and is nothing but disrespectful. Trumpet all you want about the importance of wearing a helmet, but show the man some respect. Yes, I called you a "class act" in the thread below. Too bad sarcasm doesn't come through on these boards.
You're right, brider. All dead men are geniuses.shirt
Mar 13, 2003 3:46 PM
All people deserve respect, whether they're babies, pensioners, dead, teenagers, or even roadies. Or mountain bikers (maybe.) I am not personally of the belief that death instantly elevates a person to a status requiring special respect. I'm not very Asian that way.

How about this, brider: Why didn't Kivilev show his wife and son respect by taking the minimum precautions against cracking his own skull? Sure, he could have been plowed by a truck or suddenly struck by a heart attack, but that's not what happened.

Regarding your "class act" comment: was that sarcasm? Oh, silly me! I thought it was a compliment! Gosh darn!

/shirt
You're right, brider. All dead men are geniuses.Sharkman
Mar 14, 2003 1:02 PM
Love the comment about mtn bikers!
You're right, brider. All dead men are geniuses.No_sprint
Mar 17, 2003 9:29 AM
club/teammate of mine.

http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/30317Cycling.html
This really sucks, I'm sorry. (nm)shirt
Mar 17, 2003 11:31 AM
advantages or notDougSloan
Mar 13, 2003 3:32 PM
If everyone is required to wear them, then there is no advantage or disadvantage for anyone.

Assuming (right or wrong) there is some slight advantage to not wearing one, anyone who wants to wear one does so, knowing it's slowing him down. He's then torn between doing what's best for himself and his family, and what's best for the team (for the moment). They should not be put in that situation. Mandate them for all racing, and everyone can then be on an even playing field.

Doug
AMEN! nmSharkman
Mar 14, 2003 1:03 PM
"Wear your damn helmet"shirt
Mar 13, 2003 9:01 AM
Not even my words.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/3592.0.html
"Wear your damn helmet"lonefrontranger
Mar 13, 2003 12:13 PM
lonefrontranger ""Wear Your Damn Helmet"" 3/13/03 11:59am

go get 'em shirt.
a few helmet issues..russw19
Mar 13, 2003 9:45 PM
First, Fabio Casartelli's death would not have been prevented by a helmet. He actually hit the back of his head on a brick retaining wall at over 50 mph at the moment of impact, if you believe the race doctor's report. He broke his neck at the base of his skull (I don't know the technical term for this location) where the back of your head curves back towards your neck. He was killed instantly. Not symptoms of the type of injury a helmet could prevent. Kivilev was in a coma due to the swelling that was caused by his brain smashing against the inside of his skull. His skull was cracked inward and what killed him was the pressure of his brain swelling against the skull.

It is possible that this could have been prevented by his use of a helmet, but race reports are he was getting something from his pockets when he hit the crash in front of him, causing him to go over the bars while his hands were behind his back. He had no chance to catch himself to break the fall. He hit forehead first on the road. The area he hit his head on the pavement would have been covered by a helmet, but I don't think too many people can be sure that he wouldn't have had massive enough head swelling to put him into the same coma had he had a helmet on. I know what the team doctor said, but that guy is in grief at this moment as he just lost a team mate. Team doctors are part of the team and feel responsible for the health of the team members. I am willing to bet there will be more conclusive information in a month or so, but for right now, we just don't know. But he wasn't wearing one, so that at the very least meant that if it could have prevented his death, it won't matter because he's still dead.

As for the helmet being cooler than a bare head... it doesn't have to be light colored. Tests have proven that helmet color does not affect the temperature of your head inside the helmet. If you leave it in your car, the surface may get hotter on a darker helmet, but the colored plastic skin of the helmet is sitting on top of one of the best insulators we know of, Styrofoam. Once you put it on your head, the color doesn't matter except for fashion. And the vents in helmets are designed to give a Venturi Effect with the airflow thru them. That means that the air goes in the front and from the placement and shape of the vents, it is actually accelerated over the head to cool better than having air flow over the bare head. That Venturi Effect can also form a more uniform turbulence behind the head meaning helmets are faster than bare heads. Remember all the tests after the LeMond-Fignon Time Trial in the 89 Tour?

I am not joining the debate of if you should or should not wear your helmet... I am a strict libertarian and I believe that is a personal choice, but the evidence is all that it will help you as a cyclist and may save your life. You make the choice.

Russ