|Who is your pick for greatest climber of all time?||allervite|
Feb 28, 2003 12:23 PM
|I choose Van Impe!|
|Sir Edmund Hillary nm||DougSloan|
Feb 28, 2003 1:18 PM
|I'll second that! nm||greg n|
Feb 28, 2003 2:16 PM
|No way. Reinhold Messner. (nm)||shirt|
Mar 1, 2003 3:17 PM
Mar 1, 2003 4:39 PM
|He not only summitted with Hillary, but he carried all the gear.|
|the domestiques don't get the credit for the win nm||DougSloan|
Mar 2, 2003 11:06 AM
|You guys know nothing about climbers!||allervite|
Mar 3, 2003 11:21 AM
|Neither ever summited Everest. That is pure conjecture. They did not time their jump correctly, lost their team radios, carried far to few bottles, and got lost in the fog never to be heard from again, not even at Paris Nice.
Holy Schizophrenic genres Batman!
|You've got to be kidding!||allervite|
Mar 3, 2003 10:01 AM
|He was so far off course, it took a century to find his body! Even Tom Simpson tops that!|
|Here, let me help you get that foot out of your mouth...||shirt|
Mar 3, 2003 9:49 PM
|Last I checked, Sir Edmund Hillary is alive and relatively well for an 80-something year old man. Go to the downtown Sue's Java and check out the picture of him and ask Roy about it.
You've confused Hillary with Mallory.
With my now-demonstrated expertise on the subject, I will reconfirm my statement that Messner is the greatest climber of all time, although Ed Viesturs (http://www.edviesturs.com/) is in the running. If he lasts another ten years I'll say he's the Lance of the alpine world and shoot anybody who dares disagree with me.
|Hmrrrmph grphm fofffffle!||allervite|
Mar 4, 2003 8:51 AM
|Laugh and the world laughs with you
Cry and you cry alone
For the sorry old earth
Must borrow its mirth
but has sorrow enough
on its own.
How do you delete these threads?
|Here, let me help you get that foot out of your mouth...||Sharkman|
Mar 4, 2003 9:11 AM
|Here's another vote for Ed Viesturs and Reinhold Messner. Both summitted Everest without supplemental oxygen, a feat that has to be up there with anything on record.
If a helicopter could fly that high (which they cannot), and dropped any of us off at the summitt without oxygen, we would be dead in five minutes. That's how little O2 there is up there. For Messner and Viesturs to have done the mountain without supplemental oxygen is a tremendous aerobic feat.
I believe Viesturs is quite a mountain biker as well.
|A nod towards Viesturs||shirt|
Mar 5, 2003 9:02 AM
|Not only does Ed climb without O2, he climbs WELL. So well in fact, that he generally pulls away from his companions (who have O2) like Lance halfway up the Col. My brother climbed with him in the late 80s and has more than a few eye-opening tales of Ed's strength...
I think I'm victim to the relative mystery around Messner, while Viesturs' methodical, Lance-like approach to climbing makes it more difficult to recognize that he probably truly is the greatest climber who's ever lived. Like Lance, Ed's still climbing so it's equally difficult to ascribe the moniker, "best ever" when there hasn't been enough time to cast their careers in the relief necessary to make such claims.
And yeah, Ed could probably TT 98% of us into the ground.
|A nod towards Viesturs||Sharkman|
Mar 5, 2003 9:40 PM
You are absolutely correct. Viesturs is, I think from Seattle. Are you and your brother in that area?
|A nod towards Viesturs||shirt|
Mar 7, 2003 12:45 PM
|I'm from the area, but I'm down in Redding now. My brother's been in the Bellingham area of and on for the last ten years. He and Ed were on the 1990 Everest Peace Climb together (29 of 30 made the summit!). Of the three countries represented, Ed was clearly in a class all by himself.
to everyone else: sorry for the deepening off-topic discussion...
|Herman Buhl (nm)||sanna|
Mar 2, 2003 12:21 PM
|Buhl's DQ'd for not coming home... (RIP)||shirt|
Mar 3, 2003 9:56 PM
|John Bachar (nm)||jesse1|
Mar 4, 2003 11:16 AM