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Clarify cat 5 upgrade rules(13 posts)

Clarify cat 5 upgrade rulessuperdog
Jan 26, 2003 10:22 PM
I was told you have to complete ten mass start races to upgrade to a cat 4. What is the time frame? Is is a calendar year or is a sliding window 12 month period?
For Cat 4 and 5 People Upgrading recommendationCARBON110
Jan 27, 2003 5:59 AM
Look going from 5 to 4 is no biggy BUT, if you get to a 4 PLESE don't race 3/4 races unless you can comfortably go 50+mph downhill with 30 or more other people, control your bike when sprinting at 30+ out of a corner, eat and keep your bike upright and in a straight line among some other things. You can upgrade anytime you like after 10 races, however yu can ugrade from a 5 to 3 in one season if your really good. Put the miles in... no point upgrading from a 5 to a 4 if your getting blown out the back in any cat 5 race or just barley finishing. Cat 5 is as easy as it gets. Allow yourself sometime to experience different races to acquire race experiences. This is important. This way instead of being nervous at the start of every race you will feel at ease knowing some idea of what is to come and how it will play out. I hate going to a race even in cat 3 fields when the guy next to me at the start line is shaking his leg 100 times up and down like he's going to just lift off the planet and there is 55+ miles to go.
Good luck!
re: Clarify cat 5 upgrade rulesMatt Britter
Jan 27, 2003 11:52 AM
I clipped this from NCNCA web site:

Requirements for Upgrading

Cat 5 to Cat 4: Experience in 10 mass start races.
Cat 4 to Cat 3: Need 20 points in any 12 month period; or
experience in 25 qualifying races with a minimum of 10 top 10 placings.
Cat 3 to Cat 2: Need 25 points in any 12 month period.
Cat 2 to Cat 1: Need 30 points in any 12 month period.

Since their is not a time frame listed I understand the purpose is to just get experience racing. These are the same guide lines that USCF (NCNCA re-joined USCF this year)uses for its upgrades.

You just need to keep track of the races and list them for your Rep when you request an upgrade.
re: Clarify cat 5 upgrade rulesnoveread
Jan 27, 2003 1:19 PM
Although I don't remember what they are, there are also certain requirements a race must meet to qualify as one of the 10 mass starts...

points systemShihtzu on EPO
Jan 27, 2003 1:27 PM
how does the points system work
ex: 10pts for a 1st place?
7 points for 1st place,Mr Good
Jan 27, 2003 2:46 PM
5 points for 2nd place,
4 for 3rd,
3 for 4th,
2 for 5th,
1 for 6th.

Or get 10 top tens within any 12 month period.

Qualifying races are RR or crit, with at least the minimum field size, and I forget what the minimum is. It's something like 20 or 40 (?) riders, minimum. If only 10 or 15 people show up in your category the race won't qualify.
its not that simplelonefrontranger
Jan 27, 2003 3:11 PM
Wish it were. The USA Cycling site has upgrade points listed on page 16 of a 20-page PDF set of appendices, and they vary depending on the length and type of race; for example stage races are very heavily weighted and crits don't offer many points. Here's the link if you're interested:

You may actually have to start traveling a bit to regional races to gain upgrade points. As I recall, the lowest category event that rates as a qualifying race is a "D" class event. However, your typical Tuesday night local crit or spring training series is usually classed as a "training" or E-class race so the promoter can keep his permit costs affordable.

Hint: if there's no prize list, or they're giving away cheap merchandise, the event probably doesn't rate upgrade points. "E" class events aren't allowed to offer cash paybacks.

A letter to the regional rep with a race resume, or a simple phone call was what everyone usually did in Ohio where I came from. It varies according to how your regional rep feels about and handles these affairs.

If you really feel you are ready to upgrade but don't have the points or results, a typical ploy is to enlist the help of your local official to make the call or write to the regional rep. This is assuming he/she has seen you race and is comfortable with your progress and skills.

Agree with above: don't bother upgrading until you have been racing long enough to have the skills to keep from being a danger to yourself and everone else in the field.
Isn't it ?53T
Jan 27, 2003 3:46 PM
First I want to point out that it is starting 10 mass start races, not finishing them.

For LFR, are we mixing up the new (and interesting) national ranking system with the tried and true upgrade system. I like the new ranking system, I'm currently like 20 something best Cat5 crit racer in the country, (take that Mr. Zabel). But are they really trying to use that very complex system for upgrading to Cat 3?
It's plenty simpleMr Good
Feb 2, 2003 10:35 PM
The context of this conversation was upgrades for new riders.

The A through E designation refers to track racing, not road.

There's no difference between points for stage races, road races, and crits until a racer wants to move from cat 3 to 2 and above.

The original question was how to upgrade 5 to 4. The next question was how do points work. Assuming the people asking are new racers (a safe assumption) my answer was perfectly adequate. RR or crit, the points for 1st through 6th place are 7-5-4-3-2-1.

If you have a regional USCF rep they may make the decision, instead of someone in Colorado, so sometimes the rules are bent a little.
you can skip the whole thing if you do wellishmael
Jan 27, 2003 8:34 PM
place high in a couple 4/5 races and ask the local official(or who ever is in charge, dont remember who) to upgrade you. go straight to cat 2 in 10 races and then tell all the competitors at your next race about your acomplishment; you'll get tons of room and it'll demoralize the competition. People who've spent half there lives to get there will be destoyed before the race has even begun. Then eat a Mcsomething and beer after you beat them all in a solo breakaway.
do like Lance: Start in Cat 3, lap them in your first race (nm)Bruno S
Jan 28, 2003 8:04 PM
really? how fast was it and how long nmishmael
Jan 29, 2003 3:26 PM
Just start as a Cat 4!noveread
Jan 31, 2003 8:55 AM
I know, I know, you can't right? Over a decade ago, I held a USCF license. The first year I had my license was the first year they instituted Cat 5. I think the reg early on was one year in 5, then an upgrade. When I renewed my license the following year, I was a 4. I never raced as a 4.

Skip ahead a decade...

I submitted my application for a new license, fully expecting to be a 5. They gave me a 4. Doesn't really mean anything around here as most races run 4s and 5s together. And I wasn't complaining anyway.

So again I say, just start out as a 4!