|Velotron for sale.....||MerlinMan|
Dec 30, 2002 3:01 PM
|This item is listed in the classifieds and can be seen on ebay at:
I have posted here as it is primarily a trianer for racers and will not be available to the general public until later January.
|No offence but you'll have a hard time selling it for...||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Dec 31, 2002 10:16 AM
|You'll have a hard time selling it for $3400 US. Try contacting Velotron and seeing if they would be willing to try to resell the used version with them getting a cut to someone who didn't want to pay the full blown $6000 retail.
|I think you may be off base here.......||MerlinMan|
Dec 31, 2002 5:42 PM
|A new C40 road bike with campy 10 would drop in value quite rapidly in the used market because of its second hand nature and the wear and tear. The velotron has few moving parts, is not subject to the elements, and is built like a tank. These factors make it next to impossible for wear to even show. This unit can remain in "like New" condition indefinately if the chain and ring are replaced once in a blue moon. The item is just now being made available in January and is unique in its field. $3400 is just a starting price - I hope to get more as it is not distinguishable from new. The traffic is low this time of year for cycling items, so i will hold on to it longer if necessary, but I feel it is a bargain over the $6000 new price for an item that essentially does not wear and is a few months old. Did you see my seller rating - I'm not a stranger to bike sales. The bike forums have a tough crowd. There are people who make some unfriendly statements that they would never utter in person off the forums. I have already recieved interested responses.|
|I'd buy it if I could||DougSloan|
Dec 31, 2002 7:03 PM
|That's very cool. It's got to be better than just the Computrainer, with having to mess with the tire and tension all time.
I'll trade you for a C40!
|BT-AT(australian version)||jim hubbard|
Jan 1, 2003 12:16 PM
|sorry but from what I can see it is a rip-off of the australian bt-at as used by the Australian pursuit team for a number of years. Not only is it inferior in build, it is over priced. A bt-at will sell for $1250 US new. Note these were used successfully by the team to break the current world record.....something like 3.59 and a bit. It is the difference between pushing a 100 inch and a 109 inch gear in the teams pursuit.|
Jan 1, 2003 5:12 PM
|So...."From what you can see"...the succesful Racermate corp that builds Computrainer copied the design of the "bt-at"( which hasn't seen the light of day in the cycling world, do you have a website for us to see??), but rather than improving on the design to garner a greater market share, they build a shoddy knock off and increase the price by a factor of 5? Meanwhile the bt-at remains in obscurity rather than being brought to market? And you know this because you've ridden a bt-at and have also tested the Velotron at interbike? Really Jim, that doesn't make any sense at all. You should take a close look at the detail in the new full page Velotron ads in the cycling magazines and give Racermate a call for more info. The Velotron is quite striking to see in person, it is built rock solid. It looks like a machine manufactured from NASA or Lockheed. To go through all the race courses and options on this bike would take any individual a year or more. As soon as our first home purchase is complete I will get another one! Its obvious that you do not have experience with these machines and you are littering misinformation under my post. I can assure you that I would excercise more judgement when responding to an item that you chose to post on this forum.|
|BT-AT(australian version)||jim hubbard|
Jan 1, 2003 8:34 PM
|Thanks for the picture, you are right it is nothing like a BT-ATS, it is a beefed up mag trainer, that is hooked up to a TV to relieve the bordom. Sure you can ride any course in the world, but you can also go and ride your bike and it doesn't cost as much. Sorry couldn't resist, did a web search for velotron, it is lab quality equipment and out of the league of most individuals for price. But the web site reads that it is more a testing tool rather than a training one.
Here is the link for the US site for the bt-ats.
And as for endorsement, ask any track cyclist who Charlie Walsh is and they will talk for a good ten minutes about what he has achieved coaching the Australian track squad.
Jan 2, 2003 7:03 AM
|Jim, thanks for the apology. Let me make a couple comments. You say the website states it is more a testing tool than a training one. Here is a paragraph FROM the website:
Velotron simulates riding on the road better than any previous ergometer/trainer. The largest and heaviest flywheel ever incorporated in a bicycle ergometer/trainer gives it the smoothest ride yet devised, and the flywheel freewheel adds downhill coasting to its list of authentic features. Equipped with 2000Watts of lab-accurate power the system creates road (or offroad) grades up to 25% - more than enough to reproduce the toughest hills that humans can climb on a bicycle. And its 24-gear electronic shifting system (from 20 to 132 gear inches) provides all the gears you need to climb those hills. The Velotron design is totally slip-free, regardless of the steepness of the grade, since it does not have the tire/roller interface characteristic of other bike trainers. Whether you're an ironman triathlete, road racer, mountain biker, ultramarathoner, track racer, or recreational cyclist, the Velotron will create the exact training conditions needed to raise your performance to the maximum.
Since I don't live in Florida I have to endure winters that shut down outdoor riding. My riding times are also constrained by the wife and kids. The Velotron easily solves some of those issues out of pure convenience. Being able to have a trainer that can accurately monitor your performance has been helpful and a great motivator. I know most cyclists may not have that much money earmarked for a trainer. I also know that the difference between a bike with 105 and one equipped with record 10 isnt all that much in real world performance. However, you do get your moneys worth with this trainer if you should decide to pay the price - it has no equal
|BT-AT(australian version)||jim hubbard|
Jan 2, 2003 1:21 PM
|didn't see that paragraph..... if it is so good why sell it???
Other than price I would say that the weight of the equipment must be a major drawback. It is not portable, and that can be key if you are wanting the performance gains that this machine is capable of. The gains that something like this can do only become relevant in the higher levels of racing(cat1 and pro).
Below that you can do it without that, and do the training on the bike.
If you travel all over the country I can't see you taking that on the plane with you.
|I hate to sell it!||MerlinMan|
Jan 2, 2003 1:55 PM
|My wife and I have an opprtunity to get into our first home. When finances relax in the future I will most definately purchase another Velotron.
There are many parts of the country where outdoor training is not an option year round. Outdoor training does not always offer the controlled environment for specific training events or does it give accurate feedback about progress, recovery, seat position ,crank length etc. Don't get me wrong, I love group rides and racing.
To own a nice trainer you do not need to be a plane hopping racer. I know plenty of Cat 1 & 2 racers that stay local. Sometimes you can only ride early in the morning or late at night. Telling yourself that rollers will do for this purpose is only wishful thinking. I rode rollers last winter and it was mental torture. I also could not put in near the amount of hours per week for the simple boredom factor and lack of direction that most trainers provide.
Why all the hostility towards the Velotron? Tell me you don't know people that have spent $10000 on biking in the last few years. There is a guy in my area who owns a couple hundred collectors bikes valued at over a million bucks! Spend what you would like and let others do the same.
|I hate to sell it!||jim hubbard|
Jan 2, 2003 5:57 PM
|not really hostile, just think that the price is overkill. Did you get a measurable performance gain from it??? just curious??? for that money I would be hoping that it was a large one.|
|You're still here?! nm||MerlinMan|
Jan 3, 2003 6:00 AM
Jan 2, 2003 10:50 AM
|That trainer has absolutly no application for 99.999% of cyclists. However, there are 40,000,000 registered ebay users so you may get a nibble.
More importantly, are those your legs? I'm no homo (not that there's anything wrong with that) but calves like that can be intimdating on the start line. Did you miss the Bicycling magazine best readers legs contest? You could surely have podiumed. Have you had you BF% tested lately? Care to share? Do you do weights or just on-the-bike strength training?
|The legs are mine....||MerlinMan|
Jan 2, 2003 11:48 AM
|....I think maybe i was a speed skater in another life. Bodybuilding was a hobby before I got into cycling and have not touched weights at all since riding. I don't know what my bodyfat is but did drop a couple pounds after the photo. I dont like the shot that much myself. Maybe down the road I'll throw up a real freak shot sometime. There was a time at a race in Canada where someone got behind me in a paceline and exclaimed "Holy shit!"
I've talked on the phone with several serious people who want the Velotron, so it will be gone at the end of the auction. To pay for it myself I just sold extra bikes and parts that I had collected. Think of all the guys at the tuesday rides who own a $5000 bike and have a couple more bikes at home in the garage. This is the first time they have been made available so there is a bit of a shock that comes with it - but soon they'll be popping up around the country and guys will have the option to race other Velotron owners over the net.