|Opinions on this quote ...||Humma Hah|
Dec 3, 2002 3:51 PM
|At work, we had a couple of posters up with quotes I thought were bad thinking. The worst one was this:
"Winners never quit, and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots."
I thought those who never win and never quit are "sportsmen".
We convinced management to take the #%$! thing down.
|why'd you ask them to take it down?||weiwentg|
Dec 4, 2002 4:50 AM
|a victory is more than making it to the first step of the podium. for someone, just making it on the podium in a Cat 4 race might be a victory. or even just not getting lapped in a crit, or in a road race. a victory might be staving the pounds off. it might be riding at 60. it might simply be being faster than last time. I know this is the racing forum, but why are we so obessed with placing? and yes, I know I'm stretching the definition of winning. so what? if it makes you happy then do it. so yes, I agree that sportsmen never win and never quit, but why did you ask them to take it down, again?
oh yeah, and don't sandbag.
|There are a lot of sportsmen here ...||Humma Hah|
Dec 4, 2002 6:46 AM
|... who felt that the message was, "if you can't win, quit." And that runs contrary to our spirit, which is that not quitting is the key to health and well-being.
There's an interesting corporate culture at work here ... a mix of pie-in-the-sky idealism, inventiveness, awesome talent, "death-pact" work ethic, and practical know-how that makes up for the occasional pig-headed poster put up by management. This environment has led to some great successes over the last year, but also has kept the management banging away at some old pet ideas that have had spectacular failures, and have never fully succeeded. If management really felt the way that poster suggests, they'd not have persisted with a few of those projects that are now paying off.
|I definitely see where you're coming from||weiwentg|
Dec 4, 2002 7:50 AM
|if you are asking for my personal opinion, I would have ignored it (I mean, sometimes you have to quit). but that's me. it's good that your company has a good culture that gets things done, and that poster (humorous message or no) does sort of go against that.
but in the grand scheme of things, it's just an irritant. keep riding the bike, eh?
|Agreed for sport, self,health,brotherhood. Who needs to win?nm||Spunout|
Dec 4, 2002 4:52 AM
|re: Opinions on this quote ...||brider|
Dec 4, 2002 6:26 AM
|This quote was originally meant as humor, not inspiration. Who ever put that poster up is sadly lacking in judgement.|
|Someone in management posted 'em.||Humma Hah|
Dec 4, 2002 6:46 AM
|Sad, ain't it?|
|That explains a lot... (nm)||brider|
Dec 4, 2002 8:28 AM
|Take it down||53T|
Dec 4, 2002 10:47 AM
|I don't let my kids use that kind of language, I certainly wouldn't let my management use it.|
|opposite of successories||gnailuh|
Dec 4, 2002 11:31 AM
|These are the opposite of successories... it came out about 5-6 years ago. I always thought they were funny, but I certainly would think they're bad taste if they're actually put up at work.
But they are funny...
|a ha!!! www.despair.com||weiwentg|
Dec 4, 2002 3:59 PM
|I tell you, a lot of them are hilarious. there are a few that are merely funny.|
Dec 4, 2002 4:01 PM
|Ah, so THAT's where they come from ...||Humma Hah|
Dec 4, 2002 4:11 PM
|The one that set this off is this link. I firmly believe this is a STUPID statement, and that it has no place hanging on the wall of the place I work.
The other poster that was taken down was this one. Not exactly a good teamwork motivator.
Here's the link to the overall website.
|the problem with stupidity is that some can't tell||DougSloan|
Dec 4, 2002 5:37 PM
|Someone put up the poster thinking it was a serious message, I bet, not a sarcastic lampoon of the "real" motivational posters.
Not everyone can handle stupidity.
|Doug, I think most people would have known||weiwentg|
Dec 5, 2002 5:57 AM
|it was a farce if they'd seen the picture. no?|
|I finally found one that has a thoughtful message ...||Humma Hah|
Dec 5, 2002 1:23 PM
Dec 4, 2002 1:05 PM
|"Winners never quit" -- patently false. Lance has quit races; RAAM champions have quit RAAM; so, winners DO quit, and therefore, quitters DO win. The fundamental premise is silly.
Some people ride/play/compete and never "win." For me, showing up is fantastic, and even finishing some things, like the 508, is good enough.
The quote is meaningless, and if anyone tries to make it make sense, it's still stupid. Regardless of its merits, there are so many more useful things that could be said, it certainly warrants replacing it:
The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat.
If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
We improve ourselves by victories over ourself. There must be contests, and you must win.
Eighty percent of success is showing up.
|I agree ... the "quit while you're on top" mentality ...||Humma Hah|
Dec 4, 2002 2:02 PM
|It always struck an strange chord with me to see top athletes quit after they get the world record, gold medal, Superbowl ring, etc. A LOT of top athletes are, in fact, quitters. I've never liked the message that you should quit when you achieve a particular goal. I have much more respect for someone who goes on to keep trying.
I also feel really let down when a team that is ahead "runs out the clock" to deny the competition a chance to even the score. Makes great strategic sense, but the fans are not getting what they paid for. To me, that's a form of quitting by winners.
One place where I think quitting may be warranted is if you keep pushing to win gold long after it is still enjoyable, and retire to a non-competitive level in which you CAN enjoy your sport.
|I agree ... the "quit while you're on top" mentality ...||chops|
Dec 4, 2002 4:20 PM
|Laurent Jalabert takes the cake for retiring in honorable fashion. All the press painted a picture of some tired, old, has-been who passed up the chance to ever reach his full potential. He lit it up and went out with a bang! Rock the f on!|
Dec 4, 2002 4:07 PM
|I apologize for butchering this quote but I don't remember where I found it so I couldn't get a refresher, this is close;
"Professional cycling is a rat race, but I don't mind as long as I am one of the big rats."-Tom Simpson
|ooh, ooh, ooh -- one from Lance...||DougSloan|
Dec 4, 2002 5:32 PM
|From Lance Armstrong:
"Pain is temporary... quitting lasts forever."
From Not About the Bike.
|"The Beatings will Continue until Morale Improves"||rollo tommassi|
Dec 4, 2002 2:15 PM
|That's my favorite workplace slogan!!|
|You can't soar like an eagle when you work with turkeys ...||Humma Hah|
Dec 4, 2002 8:29 PM
|... is the oft-used expression on a coffee cup my mom gave me some years ago, when I was working with a bunch of turkeys.
I never really agreed with that statement. For one thing, working there was getting me so down, I started taking flying lessons to cheer me up. So I DID soar like an eagle when working with a bunch of turkeys.
Now, I have a job at that airport working with a bunch of MIT geniuses and a couple of near-legends on projects such as the Mars High Altitude Demonstration Drop Glider, that recently flew successfully at 100,000 ft! NASA, in fact, nicknamed it "Eagle" just before the flight (this caused some smiles when it landed). And my observation is this: It is very easy to look like an eagle when surrounded with turkeys. What is difficult is not looking like a turkey when surrounded by eagles!
|a few more work related||DougSloan|
Dec 5, 2002 3:31 PM
|If you don't come in on Saturday, don't bother coming in on Sunday.
Be fired with enthusiasm, or you will be fired with enthusiasm.
|They kinda covered that last one ...||Humma Hah|
Dec 5, 2002 3:41 PM
Dec 9, 2002 1:01 PM
|I think these demotivators (www.despair.org) are a great laugh. The sad thing is that someone may have purchased the poster not realizing the satire, but then I don't know. Some of their other posters are much more direct to the point. If you suffered through at least two management fads then the humor of these things is pretty clear, I think.|| |