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Waking The Dead....Let's Go everyone!!(24 posts)

Waking The Dead....Let's Go everyone!!BigLeadOutGuy
Nov 25, 2002 6:16 AM
Hey all!
This place has been pretty slow lately...What's going on?!?! Has everyone fell off the face of the earth or what? During the season everyone posts races reports all the time...Lets get some training rides reports!! I wanna know how all my RBR friends are doing out there!!
I hope all is well...its getting to be crunch time..season is only 3 months away!!!
I myself have been hurt, Tore a muscle in my back so I havent been able to really train much cause the shock and vibration from road bumps just tears my back apart...I wasnt able to ride for a few months so I did what any good cyclist would do...sit on the couch and eat cookies, drink beer and eat chips(not in that order thou) all the while I got myself up to a thin and svelte 265 pounds! Ive never been in better shape! HA
Ive been able to spin on the trainer for the past few weeks do I figure since I can finally do something i might as well work on my climbing so I jack the font wheel up like 6 inches put the resistance to max..put it in a HUGE gear and just grind away at LT for an hour or so. The trainer is just too boring to go for 4 or 5 hour endurance rides so when I heal up more ill get some more endurance rides in. But thank heavens all that climbing work has me working like a beaten dog and Ive lost a few pounds...youll all be happy to know i am down to a petite 240 pounds! haha
Neways, ive got cabin fever and probably not making much sense.
Hope everyone is well and training hard!!!
re: Waking The Dead....Let's Go everyone!!Jon Billheimer
Nov 25, 2002 9:30 AM
Hey BLOG (what an acronym!),

You actually made me feel better. I'm starting up after a month layoff. Be advised that when you get OLD you detrain at close to the speed of light! Since we're entering the long season of eternal darkness up here in the Great White North, it's time to drive the ice pick deep into the skull, right between the eyes, get on the trainer and start grinding.

BTW, we Canadians hate all you Yanks who have seasons starting Feb/Mar. We especially despise the S/C, Fla, and Calif types! Oh well, at least WE have the good beer!
Jon, 60 degrees F and sunny here, as an FYI. :-) (nm)shirt
Nov 25, 2002 10:24 AM
Okay... Here's my report: El Tour de Tucsonskimoviestar
Nov 25, 2002 11:34 AM
Okay... I really have learned alot from this part of the board... so I'll give a little race report from El Tour de Tucson this past weekend... 108 miles of pretty flat and fast roads with about 3300 riders. Maybe you all can give me some tips for my attempt next year.....

I got into Tucson later than I'd like for the race on Saturday morning with a 7:00 a.m. start. My friend and I had to do some running around town picking up some stuff we forgot to bring with us. We had a lousy dinner with way too much garlic and had sour guts during the night. I guess I had pre-race jitters and couldn't get to sleep until about 3:00 a.m. The plan was to meet some of my fellow team members at 5:00 a.m. to go line up for the race and get a starting position as close as possible to the start line. I gave up on that idea when I turned my alarm off at about 2:30 a.m., thinking it would be better to get a couple hours of sleep and survive the race, than to race with my team members by getting in line with them at 5:00 a.m. That turned out to be a big mistake.

I left my hotel room at 6:45 a.m. and got lined up so far back that it took me 6 minutes to pass the starting line at the beginning of the race. I was pretty sure I'd never catch my team. However, I made a serious attempt; I chased down anyone I could find, did some wheel sucking, and then went on the chase again, and so on and so on. I bridged a few small groups up to other groups. The only group larger than 5-8 people I got in was when the police stopped us for a traffic break at the top of the first high point on the elevation sheet. The group from there for about a 10 mile stretch down to the second creek crossing (dismount and walking) was about 60 folks. I finally got some nose-breathing in during that section.

The second creek crossing was about 45 or 50 miles into the race and I found out I was only 15 minutes behind my team at that point so I thought I still had a chance to catch them somehow and finish under 5 hours. Much to my lasting disappointment, the race completely blew to shreds on the climbs up out of the creek crossing... no more big groups. To make matters worse, once the climbing was over there was a long downhill stretch into some wind... and I only had one other person to share the work... we managed only about 28 mph, while my team was in a group of 70 or more riders doing about 40 on the same long stretch.

After that, the race had a long finishing section, some of which was uphill and dead into the wind. I was so spent by that point that the few groups that came by were not obtainable, until about the last 5 miles when I held onto a group of about 15 riders to the finish. A not-so-steller time of 5:43 which put me into the top 25% of the finisher. My team finished in just under 5 hours in a pack of over seventy riders.

I don't feel too disappointed... I'm 45 and I've only been riding seriously (at least as seriously as one can with a desk job and a family) since early spring. My average heart rate during the ride was 160 and I'm sure I was above LT here and there quite often during the first half of the race. I didn't stop at any of the sags... just carried everything with me.

So... boys and girls, from this sad tale you should remeber: get a good night's sleep, line up early and don't underestimate the power of the peleton and the positive effects of being out of the wind during a 100+ mile road race.
El Tour de Tucsoncholla
Nov 25, 2002 8:45 PM
I did El Tour on Saturday also. What a fun race - where else can you race head to head with some real pros (unless you are a pro). I was fortunately able to line up in the "Platinum" area at the front of the race, since I have done it a few times before. Too bad I wasn't in shape to hang with the big boys in the front pack - I got dropped at the first river crossing. I finished in the same pack as your teammates, around 4:49. That last hour or so was tough, I wasn't sure we were going to make it!
El Tour de Tucsonskimoviestar
Nov 26, 2002 10:30 AM
Congratulations... that's a great time! Was it an all out sprint to the first river crossing? I was still within 15 minutes of my team at the second river crossing which I didn't think was a bad effort. But things totally blew apart coming out of the river bed there.

Tangerine and Silverbell had too much wind for me being pretty much alone. I only had one other person with me all the way down Tangerine and that's really when I knew I'd never make sub-5 hour mark, especially when we turned dead into the wind on the frontage road. I'm sure the pack you were in slowed a fair amount too and probably really bunched up at that point.

Any tips on how I can get the magic Platinum there or at other PBAA events so I don't have to line up at 4:00 a.m. next year?
pre-qualify for Platinum53x11
Nov 26, 2002 1:27 PM
Yes, it was an all out sprint to the first (and second) crossing. The pace was about 30mph during the approach. I was fortunate enough to be in the first 25 people at both crossings and it was insane. I saw a guy catch 2 feet of air after he launched up the curb at crossing #1! I was dropped big time right after the second crossing. It was amazing to see how fast those guys can sprint.

Where are you from??? There are four "races" that you can do to qualify for El Tour de Tucson: El Tour de Phoenix, Tour of the Tucson Mts, Cochise County Cycling Classic, and El Tour de Tucson. Check out for info on these events. I've never ridden the Phoenix tour so I can't help you with that one.

Cochise, which starts in Douglas, AZ, is very mellow with few riders. You don't have to line up early to get a good start position either, but there is a chance you may wind up riding alone for 60 miles since only 100 or so people show up for the 92 mile event. On the plus side, Platinum time is awarded for anything under 5/6 hours (men/women). Get 3-4 friends who you can work with and stick together. It is only an 18.4 mph average for 92 miles (vs 21.6 for El Tour).

Tour of the Tucson Mts is also a good bet. However, you'll have to line up early for a good spot. If it is any consolation, almost everybody in the Platinum section had to pay some sort of dues once in the past to get in.

Getting a Platinum at El Tour de Tucson is probably the hardest way. You have to get there early (5:00 am), sit around in the cold, then ride aggressively for the first 60 miles until it settles down. It can, and is done every year, it is just the hard way. I had friends who started in the Platinum section that didn't even finish in under 5 hours.

Glad you had fun and see you next year.
pre-qualify for Platinumskimoviestar
Nov 26, 2002 2:02 PM
Yeah... see you next year... hopefully in the Platinum section. Sounds like you had a rip, roar'n good time the first half of the race. I would have loved to have just watched the frenzy to the first river crossing and then it would have also been fun to see the lead groups and tactics to and after the second river crossing. Did it split up alot at the second crossing?

I don't feel so bad if you had friends who started in Platinum and didn't finish under 5 hours.

Thanks for the tips... I'll look into qualifying at one of the other PBAA events.
pre-qualify for Platinum53x11
Nov 27, 2002 7:35 AM
The lead group did not get split up so much as get shattered at the second crossing! Everybody was forced to cross Sabino creek in one or two lines, so when people hit the pavement again they launched off solo or in groups of two's or threes. The only tactic was get as close to the front as possible and then it was purely how fast you could go for the following couple of miles. That's why I got dropped so hard there. I didn't have a big enough engine nor could I fake it anymore by sitting in! By Sunrise a lead pack of 20 or so was being chased down by smaller groups and that's the last I ever saw of them. See you in the Platinum next year!
El Tour de TucsonBerm
Nov 26, 2002 2:44 PM
I was in that same pack that came in at 4:49. I was the guy on a red Pegoretti. Any chance we road next to each other?

What did you think about that crash that occured with about 15 miles to go on the frontage road? Did you see those two guys go down?
El Tour de Tucsoncholla
Nov 26, 2002 6:23 PM
I heard that crash - I was in the very back of the group. I was also annoyed by a guy taking a feed from a yellow Mustang convertible on Silverbell. Stunts like that endanger the whole pack. Besides, I ran out of water at mile 95! I have done El Tour a few times now, and have seen several crashes on each occasion. I guess that's what happens when strong but inexperienced pack riders are mixed into such large groups. So, as much as I want to try and finish with the lead pack one of these years, I try to be extra careful in this ride. A crash occured right in front of me within the first 5 miles; I locked up my brakes and then somehow got around it. I was so far to the back of the first pack by the 1st river crossing, though, that I got dropped coming out of the crossing and never caught them again. I was so tired already that I rode in the back of my group all the way to Sabino, then pulled here and there until the top of Rancho Vistoso (second wind), and then rode in the back again. I was on a black Trek.

Skimoviestar - I earned my platinum at El Tour de Tucson last year by being one of the first people to the start line - at 4:00 a.m. - and then feeling good enough to "hang" for a while at the front. This year, although I think the new, shorter course (last year was 113) may make it easier to finish under 5 hours, it was harder (for me) to stay with the front group due to the early river crossing at 8 miles. I have never done Tour of the Tucson Mts, but many people say that is the easiest event to achieve platinum in, as it is very flat. I have ridden El Tour de Phoenix once, and platinum there (70 miles in 3 hrs) is doable, but finding a good group may be harder, as the field is so much smaller than Tucson. Have fun and good luck.
Nark on em!53x11
Nov 27, 2002 7:47 AM
Normally I'm not into ratting people out, but stunts that clearly endanger others are not to be tolerated. If you remember the guy's number email PBAA and get the guy DQ'd. Sounds harsh, I know, but there are two scenarios that will play out in the future:

1) The guy will get away with it and tell his friends "It was great getting auto-support! The rules aren't enforced and you should ALL do it next year!" or,

2) The guy gets DQ'd and tells his friends "I thought I'd get away with it, but I was DQ'd. Don't try that next year."
El Tour de Tucson - ChollaBerm
Nov 27, 2002 9:41 AM
That idiot in the Mustang must have buzzed by us at least three times. On a side note, I only wish that I ran out of water at mile 95, I ran out of water with about 20 or more miles to go. I can only guess how many times I tried to get water out of my empty bottles and my dry Camelback.
Thanks to all for the good advice (nm).skimoviestar
Nov 27, 2002 10:40 AM
re: Waking The Dead....Let's Go everyone!!BikeViking
Nov 25, 2002 1:22 PM
Now that I am 40, I am riding through the winter to (hopefully) ride my first crit season. I have been running twice a week and riding 3 - 4 times a week. Still riding hard once a week so I don't forget how to suffer!! :o)

Hope to start working on the sprint/power in March.

This should be an interesting year!!

uh, I got my butt kicked, does that count?lonefrontranger
Nov 25, 2002 1:31 PM
We had a classic 'cross race here in Boulder over the weekend. cold as hell, 4" of sloppy, wet snow on the ground, course was a muddy, sandy beach park. About halfway through my race, it started snowing again, hard.

I finished DFL covered in mud and frozen snot. My bike had about 18 pounds of frozen mud, leaves, ice and sand on it. That was the longest friggin' 45 minutes of my life. Lesson: the 'cross racers out here are deadly, deadly serious, so me attempting to hold my own in the Women's Open is analogous to bringing a Nerf gun to WWIII. Most of my field would have done okay in the Men's 3 race and the two leaders set lap times that would have put them about mid-field in the Men's Pro/1/2.
more cross!!!weiwentg
Nov 25, 2002 5:29 PM
cross is going great. if I get to one more race, I might very well end up 3rd or 4th in my age category. and the top 2 people are sandbaggers, haha (very convenient excuse, eh?). admittedly, cross isn't as competitive as in CO.
aside from that, I'm building my base. my road season starts at the end of next February. ack.
BV, LFR, let's all try not to crash again, eh? :(
Have to disagreeBrokenSpoke
Nov 25, 2002 7:27 PM
I was at the race also, Cat 3, and that was the MOST FUN cross race I have done this year. The cold, snow, mud in the tree section, sand. I loved it!! Long 45 minutes??? I couldn't beleive it was over, seemed like 20 till I checked my watch. I wish I could have raced again. I am serious, I loved that course. I am disappointed the cross season is over for me though this year but I hope for more cold, snow packed, races next year.
did I say I disliked the course?lonefrontranger
Nov 26, 2002 7:45 AM
No, that ranks as one of the better courses I've ever done. The unusually wet conditions helped, otherwise we'd have been staggering around in 6" of deep loose sand. However, I thought the course was excellent. It's merely me that sucks.
did I say I disliked the course?BrokenSpoke
Nov 26, 2002 1:31 PM
Won't argue that point.
Frozen snot?BigLeadOutGuy
Nov 25, 2002 4:17 PM
I love frozen snot!

well its good to see that everyone is still going!! I went for my first ride in a looooong time, it went pretty well...i think it did my back some good. It was short (only an hour) but sweet. hopefully I will feel good tomorrow though.

I wish we had some races goin on around here....not that I could race...but if i was healthy i would for sure!

Im glad everyone is well!
happy thanksgiving
re: Waking The Dead....Let's Go everyone!!Matt Britter
Nov 25, 2002 5:20 PM
Took most of Oct. off, but have been riding 4 days a week all Nov. Weekends have been great team rides with long easy efforts.

One exception was last weekend, I decided to do a longer ride with the cat 2's in our club. It was much harder on the return trip (than I thought it would be), and was pushed up the last hill of the day to stay with the group! Dam embrassing!

Here in No. Cal. the crits start in Jan and the real hot racing gets going Feb. I'm looking forward to Sea Otter this year, probably going to do the circuit race AND the MTB xc since I'll have an extra 4 weeks of training before the races.
re: Waking The Dead....Let's Go everyone!!flyinbowlofmilk
Nov 26, 2002 3:55 PM
Well as for me I am still getting in my base mileage. One hard group ride on weekend and moderate ride on weekend(solo). Arrgh! Club dues and Racing team mebership fees due soon. Other than working out at the gym at least twice a week ,with a heart rate moniter. Starting to save money for my new road bike next year. Time to start wrapping up for the winter in N.C. Got a training plan put together too(4 times a week. I have a friend who works with me who is a triathelete who works in the Wellness Center at my job. Now down to fitting it in to my work week. More training after Thanksgiving. I hope you get better
a ha! stick around the triathleteweiwentg
Nov 26, 2002 5:59 PM
s/he can probably help with training for fitness. as for training for skills, you'll have to get that from the snobby roadies ;)
good luck!