Oct 10, 2002 1:11 PM
|anyone know what different types of riders score on this challenge.
climber vs. sprinter
crit guy vs. true roadie
pedal masher vs. spinner
can't find much information anywhere.
|Wingate results and info||BryanJL|
Oct 11, 2002 1:29 PM
Check out this link for more info. Scroll down. Also has lots of links to various other tests, as well as numbers for "normal active adults."
You can approximate this test, in different units, on an indoor trainer if your bike has a rear-wheel magnet pickup.
You start in a modest gear, say 53x19 or 53x17. Get going and hammer hard, and shift down (harder gears) and keep hammering. Note your speed at 5 or 10seconds, then again at 15, 20, 25, and 30. May be best done with a partner noting speeds. You'll also be able to measure distance (just reset your computer to zero it out--it will then memorize your peak speed too if your has this function).
There--now you've got a pretty good method for doing the same test. Just make sure conditions are identical (magnet settings on trainer, if applicable, are the same each time), etc.
Remember that a mag trainer doesn't have the same resistance curve as a fluid or the real road. But from test to test, the same equip should yield very similar results and give you some good data.
You could do this on the road, but it's a lot safer indoors, easier to control too.
Oh yeah...other resources to try for answers to your comparisons...ex phys journals. Check a university library. But this data will be tough to find.
|re: Windgate test....||trackee|
Oct 11, 2002 3:17 PM
|I can't tell you the numbers on anything but the sprinters, but the national level track sprinters are probably hitting at least 1500 watts peak power and and least 15w/kg.
The track sprinters will almost always have the highest wingate results because its a 30 second test which is all that true track sprinters train for.
|thanks trackee. 15w/kg is pretty good.||C-mond|
Oct 13, 2002 10:41 AM
|I wanted to see info from some elite athletes to compare myself with. The active adult charts are inadaquate.
I am at peak power of 11.3w/kg, I figure it is pretty good for a girl, now if I just lived near a track.
Oct 13, 2002 2:31 PM
|I am not even a true track sprinter (I do points race and madison on top of good old road racing) and I put out 24w/kg. Easy. Real sprinters will put out a bit more than that, I am sure. The best flying 200m I ever did was a 11.0. That's not even scratching the surface to be a real sprinter. Anyways, FWIW, I am a road sprinter, endurance track guy, can climb decently, and I can tt pretty well. I am kind of a high rpm guy, too, and I hit my peak wattage around 150+ rpm. Hope that helps.|
|sorry but you probably need dto have that test redone||trackee|
Oct 13, 2002 4:00 PM
|I have never heard of anyone having a max wattage over 2000w, and that was Florian Rousseau (sp?). I seem to remember him being around 1880w. If you are doing 24w/kg and you are 100kgs (220lbs) you're looking at 2400w max.You ought to be destroying Marty Nothstein in every sprint. I am not trying to pick a fight but 24w/kg seems like the test probably wasn't done correctly.|
|sorry but you probably need to have that test redone||Sherpa23|
Oct 14, 2002 12:08 PM
|Come again? I weigh 70 kilos and I put out 1690w at peak. No bullshit. You can ask any of my training partners as we train with SRMS (newly calibrated, too). I am not talking about that average for 30 seconds - I am talking about PEAK power. As far as someone's having a max wattage of over 2000w? I personally know several world class sprinters who do. By the way, it's not like I am some local guy at your neighbourhood velodrome. I race World's, World Cups, European Tourneys,and have even raced for a D1 Euro team on the track. Why is it impossible for me to put out 24w/kg?|
|sorry but you probably need to have that test redone||trackee|
Oct 14, 2002 6:49 PM
|Wow, 1690w is a lot of power for a guy that only weighs 154lbs. I wouldn't think you could have enough muscle mass to generate that kind of power and still weigh 155. Thats impressive. But you probably need that kind of power to compete at an international level.
Just curious, did you see that 1690 during an actual wingate or just on your SRM? The reason I ask is because the nice thing about the wingate is that it removes all variables. For example, I can hit well over 65 mph on my road bike...downhill and behind a truck.
Anyway, 24w/kg is very impressive,and if those numbers are legit, I am not looking foreward to seeing you on the track.
Oct 15, 2002 7:25 AM
|I am not sure I see your correlation between 65mph downhill and 1690w. Peak power is peak power, no matter where you do it. At any rate on the wingate tests, done on a computrainer, the peak power was in fact 1670w, not 1690w as I did in "real life." As far as my weight goes, I know one person who hardly trains, weighs 140lbs, and puts out 1900w. He is a match sprinter/kilo specialist. He did, in fact, beat Marty in sprint last year. It's a myth that you need to weigh 200 lbs to put out big watts. All extra does for some people, IME, is make you slower. If I weighed 220 lbs, I better be 6'5" or something.|
Oct 13, 2002 4:07 PM
|That probably makes more sense. I am not a sprinter at all(just use cycling as cross training). Have any idea what % decrease they/you have on the 30sec windgate test?
I want to know what is possible, 24w/kg is powerful especially if the %decrease is in the single digits. Say 24w/kg max 22w/kg mean min 22
What is the smallest percentage decrease that you have ever seen? are we talking sub 3% and, if that is the case, then can you argue that they did not take the test as a true "max" test.
Oct 13, 2002 4:32 PM
|I am by far an expert on the wingate- I am just an ex track sprinter whos had a few done. But that said, the type of cyclist you are and your personal genetic makeup will dictate the results.
For example- I have a max of about 15.7w/kg (about 1550w). That was about 3 sec into the test. At the end of the test, I was probably about 450w. A substantial drop, but thats all I really trained for was sprints.
By comparison, I've seen guys max at about 12w/kg (1000w for arguments sake) and at the end of the 30 secs were down to about 750 watts. Not a huge top end but not a significant drop in power output either. These are the guys that can win the pursuits.
|some more info||trackee|
Oct 13, 2002 6:31 PM
|Sorry C-mond, I didnt really answer your question that well, but I guess the best answer is that the decrease in power over 30 sec depends on the type of athlete you are. I would assume that a guy like Armstrong has a fairly low max power compared to a lot of pure sprinters, but a much higher average power output than a sprinter.
I really dont know any exact numbers for the different kinds of cyclists, but sprinters will have higher max outputs with a bigger % drops and tt guys will have lower maxes will smaller % drops.
Hope that helps answer your question.
|maybe this will help||BryanJL|
Oct 14, 2002 8:50 AM
This book has a chapter on power output. I have it; it's a great resource w/lots of technical info and also test protocols as well as results (from elite riders on max tests)--what you're looking for. Has graphs of pursuit power output too.
Well-researched and has lots of references to get you more detailed info.
Hope this helps,