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how far is far enough(10 posts)

how far is far enoughdoog
Sep 15, 2002 8:00 AM
When a racer builds an endurance base in the winter what is the farthest he/she should ride on one ride? If I'll be racing 30-45 miles in the summer and time trialing how far should my longest winter rides be? I could ride 200 miles but is it worth it? Is 100 miles already over kill?
Not that far!Kerry
Sep 15, 2002 4:04 PM
If you're building winter base for 40 mile races, you certainly don't need to do 100 mile rides. You can if you want to, but it won't get you performance for races at 40% that distance. Better to work on quality (hill intervals, speed intervals, practice TTs, etc.). UNLESS you have a lousy base now, then doing some serious distance could take you up a step or two. If that's the case, work into it slowly, increasing distance about 10% per week and every 4th to 6th week, ride a recovery week. Lots of good advice in Joe Freil's book and the new book by Fred Matheny.
Isn't more better when it comes to base?hrv
Sep 16, 2002 6:45 AM
I thought that you should do as many easy/long rides as possible and rack up those base miles, irregardless of the distance you race? As was explained to me on this board, you need to think of base miles as a savings account that you withdraw from when starting the higher intensity phases.

Lately , every time I get broken down and need to rebuild, I've been doing 80 - 100 mile easy rides and voila, I'm good to go for more intensity and ready to do the next race.
So I'm going to try and ride these distances as much as possible this winter.

hrv
We're in violent agreementKerry
Sep 16, 2002 5:35 PM
Note that I said you don't need to do this distance for the races, but it is good to build your base. If you're doing lots of races, then build a big base, though 200 mile rides are not needed. 80 mile rides (200-300 miles per week) should be PLENTY of base.
most guys I race withDougSloan
Sep 16, 2002 7:29 PM
The guys around here do 85-100 miles every Saturday in the winter, plus another 30-40 on Sunday. The Saturday rides are easy, except for pushing it on the hills and then regrouping; the Sunday rides are more aerobic. The best shape I ever got in was riding with them all winter, as their moderate climbing pace was very hard for me (big mountains around here). Wasn't true "base" for me, but it got me in shape.

Doug
I should add, thoughDougSloan
Sep 16, 2002 7:30 PM
Some of these guys are semi-pro and 1's, meaning they do 85-110 mile races.

Doug
Question for Kerry...RockyMountainRacer
Sep 17, 2002 6:07 AM
What's the new Fred Matheny book?
Get it hereKerry
Sep 17, 2002 5:07 PM
Fred Matheny's Complete Book of Road Bike Training, available (for order) at www.roadbikerider.com/rbt_excerpt.htm
Thanks! (nm)RockyMountainRacer
Sep 23, 2002 5:33 AM
re: how far is far enoughREPO42
Oct 8, 2002 9:21 PM
Holy cow Batman!!!! You will burn your self out.... Yes indurance training is a neccesary part of the process to prepare for a road race. If you can't ride 50 miles in training then how ya gonna do it in a race, right? This is true to a certain extent.. Every book I read on how the pros train stated that intensity is far more imporant than duration.. What I think they mean is that if you are going to race a 50 miler then what the heck are you doing riding 100. For example I can ride 75 miles at about 17 mile per hour no problem, or I can cut that do a 45 miler at 21+ after warm up. Which do you think is the better workout?
Your body will repsond to intensity a lot better than duration....So cut that 100 mile ride out to 50 or so.. add more intensity and watch your speeds continue to increase...hope this helps.