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LFR, how did the crit go, exactly? FBM, how's racing? nm(15 posts)

LFR, how did the crit go, exactly? FBM, how's racing? nmweiwentg
Aug 25, 2002 4:06 AM
well, I finished...lonefrontranger
Aug 25, 2002 2:16 PM
19th :P The promoter said he had thirty starters, so I guess I wasn't DFL. It's not a crit course, it's a 3.3 mile rolling circuit race. All the corners are super narrow, so the field comes to a dead stop in every one. There's a nice launchpad off a manhole cover on the bottom of the course, just to keep you on your toes. And a giant speed bump right after the finish line. With those dorky decorative cobblestones on it, just to be safe. I "dead jumped" the speed bump every lap, but it still stung a bit.

I really didn't plan to finish that race, but when I was still hanging in with 3 laps to go, I figured I should at least give it a shot. The pace seemed pretty mellow, so I didn't have too much trouble hanging on. I pushed it a little and got out of the saddle probably a few times too many. By 2 to go, I felt like someone was holding a hot branding iron in between my shoulder blades. On the bell lap, the field went like a pack of scalded cats up the final K (climb all the way to the line, natch). I got trapped in the last corner and went tail-end charlie behind the resident space alien, who's upgraded about a jillion categories this season but still handles a bike about like someone who's first ever bike race was four months ago (it was). By the time I got straightened out, the back of the field was 30 yards away and accelerating, so I stuck it in the little ring and rolled in for the couple of BAR/BAT points that I could earn my team.
did the doc clear you to race?ColnagoFE
Aug 26, 2002 7:04 AM
you've got lots of guts, but personally i'd stay out of racing until the thing is completely healed. don't want to risk a worse injury by not waiting. do i sound like your mother talking?
of course not...lonefrontranger
Aug 26, 2002 8:01 AM
I'm not "officially" even cleared to ride yet. But my orthopod is a bike racer himself, so he knows the mentality. At my 2-week follow up exam, the first words out of his mouth were "I know you're not gonna listen to a damn thing I tell you but you need at least six weeks to heal this..." He then told me an amusing story about how he broke his tib-fib badly and was in a cast for several months, first a full leg cast, then a cast to the knee. Once he was in the lower leg cast, he cut down the back part behind the knee a bit and went out riding every day, in the cast, using a platform pedal.

He basically told me that I could do whatever my pain threshold would tolerate, and that I would be fine as long as I didn't crash and re-injure the thing.

The shoulder itself is fine today; a couple ibuprofen Saturday night and staying off the bike yesterday fixed it right up. According to the x-rays I got done last Tues, the bone is well joined and fairly solid; it's mostly just muscular issues now.
Benefit of living in Boulder,TJeanloz
Aug 26, 2002 11:28 AM
One of the huge benefits of being a bike racer in Boulder is that all of the orthopedists work with obsessive athletes all the time, and try to minimize your risk of further injury by telling you how to ride instead of simply insisting you do not. They understand that you aren't going to stop riding just because they say you should.

In 1997-1998 I broke my left arm 4 times in a calander year, and it got to a point where Dr. Paul expected me to be back on the bike a day after the break.
hey, how's it going?lonefrontranger
Aug 26, 2002 1:41 PM
Terry was asking about you yesterday.

You should have seen the melee on the "Kemmelburg" climb with the LVC guys egging them on and offering cold beer handups. Imagine a bunch of half-drunk rowdy Smurfs (plus an ever-growing contingent from other teams) all ringing cowbells and chanting "BEER, BEER, BEER!!" while you're trying to grind your way up a 10% sandy doubletrack on road slicks. The racecourse runs west from 76th St., behind the SuperTarget on Marshall Rd. It is far worse than anything the Roubaix ever threw at them; the good news is that the dirt stretch is only 2.5 miles long.

I believe this is part of those "inside the Biz" cyclocross trails you mentioned.
Yes, the "kemmelburg"TJeanloz
Aug 27, 2002 5:20 AM
You should see how fast Scott T. can drive his F-150 up that climb. That stretch is one of my favorite places to ride a bike in Boulder- it's so close to town, and so isolated at the same time. And while going up that climb on a bike is fun (mostly because choosing your line is 90% of the battle), going down is equally fun, as choosing your line is 100% of the battle.

I'm trying to finagle myself out of work and into town for the CU/CSU game this Saturday; but unless a miracle occurs, it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I miss my bikes; I hope Terry is at least getting some use out of them- because he doesn't have nearly enough of his own...
BTW, who promoted that race?TJeanloz
Aug 27, 2002 7:47 AM
Kudos to whoever put that race on; I'm assuming the course was from that climb, down to Marshall road, behind the Super Target, and back around? It couldn't have been easy getting the permiting for it- who was responsible for all that organization?
Boulder RacingBipedZed
Aug 27, 2002 7:57 AM
Boulder Racing has been putting on lots of cool races recently. It's run by Brian Hludzinksi who's riding for my team this year. Very cool guy.
I'm actually surprised it happened at allColnagoFE
Aug 27, 2002 8:21 AM
Now with Rock creek and all the development out there I rarely ride out in those parts these days.
you should go check out the courselonefrontranger
Aug 27, 2002 8:43 AM
It's kind of tough if you don't like riding on dirt, but as TJ mentioned, it's impressively isolated considering all the yuppiedrome that has sprung up around it.

The course runs just as TJ guessed: south on 76th St. (behind the SuperTarget shopping center), then turn west at the T intersection. Keep going straight (south) past the self-storage place, and ignore the sign that says "No Outlet" (the road *does* go through, sort of). In about 100 yards, you'll be on decent dirt. The ride along the creek is utterly gorgeous, and the canyon closes in around you so that you would never guess there is a suburban consumer & residential wasteland within a mile of the place.

The road is a bit washboard, but it's reasonable until you actually get onto the Kemmelburg. Once you're past that, the road remains gravel for about another mile, past the water tower. Right before you hit the pavement again, there's a loose deep section of gravel akin to "wipeout alley" at the Roubaix. Fortunately it's flat, but we did see several crashes there from folks washing out. Then you get on the pavement and do a quick, rolling descent out to Marshall. Turn right, and go up the longish "grinder" climb that used to be the major attack launchpad of the Morgul-Bismark course. Crest over the top, and it's a fast descent down to the right-hander back onto 76th. The start/finish line is/was right behind the SuperTarget.

That climb is a total bear. According to Brian H., it gets used as a quick-strike by local 4x4 types, cannot imagine why as the "real" 4x4 section is only 30 yards long - seems a bit lame-o to me, because I drove sag all day long with our Dodge minivan, and went up it about sixty times without a hitch. But what do I know about jeepin'... anyhow. The climb is indeed rutty, loose and steep as snot. There is only one golden line, so in a bike race, you can imagine the carnage on the first and second laps.

Brian says that couse is far easier to run and control than the Superior Circuit, which he says he won't bother with for next year. The cops and locals were all very easy to work with for the Kemmelburg course. The bad news is that a developer has recently bought all the land around the creek, on the south side of the dirt road, so it's probably doomed like every other good course around here.
Aug 27, 2002 9:43 AM
I always presumed that most of the land along that road was Boulder County Open Space (excepting, of course, the little farm). I think that road is the most perfect mile of bike riding in Boulder County; albeit on dirt. If it wasn't for the power lines on the opposite ridge, it would be like a trip back in time- no development, or civilization for that matter, in sight.

The only downside is that some pretty shady transactions go on at the turnout above the climb.

Good for Brian for promoting the race. IMHO he is a serious improvement on Chris Grealish, though from the looks of it, his entry fees are creeping up there. I assume he will continue running the 'cross/short track races at the CU research park? [Full Disclosure: Brian and I were teammates at CU].
entry fees forgivablelonefrontranger
Aug 27, 2002 10:24 AM
Brian took a lot of care with this course for safety reasons. Marshall has gotten super busy between McCaslin and Cherryvale with all the people trying to avoid the cluster**** of 36 and the McCaslin bridge. Plus there's no shoulder along it. So he paid at least four cops: 1 parked at the T intersection right after the start/finish to ride herd on the local residents coming in off of McCaslin, one at the base of the descent to stop traffic for riders coming onto Marshall, one to stop traffic for the riders turning back onto 76th, and one moto cop to run back and forth doing interference and escorting groups of riders along Marshall. It all worked very well and the cops were extremely cool.

With that kind of support, it's understandable why he's had to go to $25 day-of-race. FWIW, he only charges $10 for the races he does at the Research Park. He told me he is happy to break even.

We used to hold races for $10 - $15 in Ohio, but we had some pretty deserted backroads and were allowed to make do with a couple of volunteers in orange vests. It is my understanding that in Boulder Co., the cops will no longer allow this kind of informal traffic control for cycling / triathlon or running events.
Fair enough,TJeanloz
Aug 27, 2002 10:56 AM
I'm not advocating that Brian should lose money in the interst of keeping fees low. And I know him well enough to know that he is doing a little bit better than breaking even- but I don't begrudge him making money on races. I'm all for promoters making money- it's hard, usually thankless work. When we started promoting the races at the Research Park, one of our primary goals was a low entry fee- I think it was $5 for the first race ($2 of which went to ACA insurance). I just find it interesting that he's letting fees creep upwards a little bit. But I'm sure he's not making a fortune on it. One thing I always appriciated Brian for was knowing how to get people to do things. Grealish would bitch and moan about his unpaid volunteers not doing enough work, and not working hard enough. Brian isn't afraid to pay somebody to do good, hard work. Another thing is that once you start promoting races, there's an economy of scale; the second one isn't as hard or costly to run as the first, and Brian takes full advantage of this. Bottom line is that I'd really like to see Brian continue to offer good racing opportunities close to Boulder, as he has been.
re: LFR, how did the crit go, exactly? FBM, how's racing? nmflyinbowlofmilk
Aug 25, 2002 5:09 PM
Going on fine. I have one more race before the season over for me. Right now I am still training for my last race on the weekend after Labor Day. Other than that I am starting to see improvements in my racing. I am hoping that I will not finish last in my next and last race this year.