|Is this meant to be?||skip work to ride|
Jul 25, 2002 11:28 AM
|I wanted to get a feel from everyone if this is self pity or relization.
I have raced road for the first season, I am 28 years old and work roughly 45 hours a week. I have raced a total of 12 times. ANd train roughly 8 hours a week with one training race per week.
It seems that I either stay with the lead pack but finish out of the top 10 or get dropped because I try to peel off the front and can't keep it going for more than 30 seconds.
Either the other guys are strong/er or I just haven't found my niche.
I see people upgrading within a 1/2 season and wonder if I need to reevealuate my ability/talent.
Is this meant to be or should I go back to mountain bike racing?
|What I am trying to ask is||skip work to ride|
Jul 25, 2002 11:34 AM
|What is normal progress for an average racer to go from newbie to race winner/contender. Or to move up from Cat 5 to 4 to 3? Is two or more season weak?|
|It takes time to become competitive||BipedZed|
Jul 25, 2002 12:16 PM
|Here's a long self-indulgent post I made in May right after I upgraded to Cat 3.
Timeline to Cat 3 Pack Fill
Jul 25, 2002 3:50 PM
|I really liked your story alot... It sounds all too familiar.
Do you still work w/a coach? I just hired one a couple of weeks ago, and it's too soon to see any results.
I've got my first race of the season tomorrow night (Cat 5), and I'm just hoping not to get dropped!
|I spent 5 seasons as a cat 4...||brider|
Jul 25, 2002 1:54 PM
|and forced them to upgrade me.|
|2nd Place in Training Race tonight||skip work to ride|
Jul 25, 2002 7:15 PM
|BipedZed I appreciate your article/posting it restores my faith in human nature and the effort=results formula.
I finished second tonight in a semi hilly 30min crit. I led or was at the front of the pack on every climb and outsprinted the pack coming up the hill on the last lap. (Someone came off the front of the pack for first and my wheel was even with his back wheel...)
Does anyone know if these races count towards upgrades? The race is under the state sanctioning body - which is affiliated with USCF?
Thanks again for the info.
|2nd Place in Training Race tonight||brider|
Jul 26, 2002 7:39 AM
|Not sure about srits, but I know there's field size and race length sriteria for road races. I'd assume there's similar for crits. Look up the USCF rules.|
|8 hrs/week is not enough. (nm)||shirt|
Jul 26, 2002 10:18 AM
|enough for what?||skip work to ride|
Jul 26, 2002 3:20 PM
|What are you baseing this on? Moving up to Cat 3 or just in general? I have read Friel's book. But he is against racing weekly - and that is what I enjoy so intensity has to figure into the equation...|
|USCF definition can anyone clear this up?||skip work to ride|
Jul 26, 2002 3:34 PM
|This is straight from the USCF rule book. My question is does a crit have to be 45minutes for you to use it your upgrade request?
Qualifying Road Races for each Category
Category RR Crit Time Field Experience
5 - 4 Men 15 mi 10mi 45 min 10 10 races
4 - 3 Men 25 mi 20 mi 1 hr 30 25 races
3 - 2 Men 50 mi 20 mi 1 hr 50
2 - 1 Men 80 mi 35 mi 1.5 hr 60
|USCF definition can anyone clear this up?||Eric Marshall|
Jul 26, 2002 7:08 PM
|No, the race could be advertised to be 10 or more miles. Crits can be raced for a certain number of miles or a certain duration (usually with a small number of laps after the time completes to let riders jockey for the finish). Additionally, there's a minimum field size of 10.|
|Some More Confusion||PatM|
Jul 29, 2002 5:07 AM
|I do a "training" race weekly, I am a cat 5 would this count towards an upgrade to 4 ? Fields are usually 20-40, distance is 33 miles(25 laps) it being a training race I would think no, you can drop off and come back in. I don't have any great ambition to upgrade to 4, as I know I have a lot to learn, but it would be great if it did.
I am going to ask the official next week just to see.
here is the link
|Some More Confusion||kaiser|
Jul 29, 2002 10:08 AM
|So long as it is a race with a USCF permit, then it's still a bonafide race (even if they just call em 'training races'). However, you'll want to make sure that there is an offical there to certify the results. If they don't have one,and that official certifies nothing, then you're hosed.
Many training race series are run simply for the purposes of mid-week training. They often have permits, and having a permit means you're supposed to have an official there to certify the results. A lot of times the actual promoter will _be_ that licensed offical.
Being that it is a local-yokel training race, he might not be too interested in following through with that post-race paerwork, so be sure to follow-up with him/her to make sure you get credit for your placing.
Do not expect anything in this sport to be automatic, and upgrades don't just show-up in the mail when you garner enough points. You must do ALL the legwork, and it can be frustrating. Just be polite, patient and never give up.
|Thanks for the info||PatM|
Jul 29, 2002 11:31 AM
|I am pretty sure that the promoter is a official, because he constantly warns us about crashing - if we do he has to fill out more paperwork(sarcastic tone), and that he has to fill out enough paperwork after the race anyway. It is a pretty well run training race, with team tactics, preems ( two bucks), and good advice from lots of masters.
I guess it just never crossed my mind that I was working toward my upgrade(2 more races), I just go out to learn and get a good workout, with the few amount of cat 5 races here in the northeast(without traveling far) I thought it was going to take years to upgrade.
Jul 31, 2002 10:13 PM
|My understanding is that a series of training races can count only once per year toward upgrades (as one race)- that's the way it worked for me. Check with your local official.|
|Sorry, didn't see this re-post until just now||shirt|
Jul 30, 2002 12:25 PM
|I'd say it's not enough in general, if "in general" means you want to race. Even at a Cat-5 level. One of the reasons you're fading as races go on is you don't have the endurance that comes ONLY from hours in the saddle. You may be strong as an ox for short bursts, but if you can't go the distance it doesn't matter.
I also am a victim of undertraining at higher intensities, although my weekly average is between 14-18 hours. If I didn't have work to do, a 7 year-old to entertain, a baby to play with and a wife to... you know, then I'd probably train 25-30 hours a week. For the record, I'm a Cat-5 Masters but I train once to twice a week with Cat-1s and Pros and I tend to do pretty well in the Masters 4/5 races. I'd say my conditioning is equal to a mid-pack Cat-3 senior.
Seriously, invest 3-4 weeks of an additional 4-5 hours/week at lower intensities and see if you don't feel WAY stronger after that...