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Should I go 23-11?(24 posts)

Should I go 23-11?Chonola
Jul 19, 2002 11:21 AM
Right now I am racing in a 23-12. However, sometimes I find myself spun out in the 12.(or very close to spun out) (usually in a flat sprint type situation)

Here is the deal though - I am a petite female. 5'3'' and about 110 lbs and people say I have no need for an 11 b/c I am so small..and it's not worth missing some gears in the middle?? That only big burly men need an 11?

Chonola
re: Should I go 23-11?Chonola
Jul 19, 2002 11:22 AM
Side note - big chain ring and 12 = spun out in flat sprint.
re: Should I go 23-11?brider
Jul 19, 2002 12:02 PM
A good test of this would be to see how much wear your 16 cog has on it. If it's significant, and you don't use the 23 much, then you might consider going to a 11-21. Or what you could do is to have multiple cogsets that you can put on according to the days requirements (with respect to race course). For flat races, I'd always use something as close to a straight block as I could, often using an 11-21, and going up to a 25 for very hilly courses. Assuming you're running 9-speed, all you give up is the 16T cog.
Spun out in the 12?Kerry
Jul 19, 2002 5:58 PM
Spun out where I come from = 120 RPM. Spun out in a 53/12 = 41 mph. Extremely impressive.
No wayLC
Jul 19, 2002 9:21 PM
There is no way you can convince me a 110lb female can spin out a 53-12 on a flat course. Even if you were a burly male I would be amazed if you could do it. What is your definition of spun out? 90 rpm? Work on your spin some more.
Agree with LC...She is trying to re-define "Spun out"Canidraftyou
Jul 20, 2002 10:15 AM
Sorry, but no a cold day in hell!!! No way can a 110 lbs female/male spin out of a 11 cog in a sprint. Of course we are not talking about down hill grades as a factor. No back ground in hours of research here, my thought on it is just this, until your able to "HOLD" 120 rpms in any gear, you should not move down. I know several guys 140+ that the 12 cog is more than enough. Im 188 lbs. been squating for years and can hold a 11 on good days. BABE! go to the 13/25 and learn how to spin.

Peace
She said "Spun out" the 12 not the 11.allervite
Jul 21, 2002 9:39 PM
Also, I don't think weight is a good indication of what gear you may be able to spin out. There are plenty of very rapid small riders out there (Paolo Bettini!
No way?allervite
Jul 21, 2002 9:34 PM
How about on seventh wheel in a lead out for a sprint on a flat road? Do you think little Nicole Friedman could spin out the 53-12?

Didn't she say it was in a "Sprint Situations"?

Maybe, she can't spin it out, but I think it's plenty possible.
re: Should I go 23-11?rich2
Jul 20, 2002 1:30 PM
im not sure if you know but juniors are restricked on gearing so i am using a 48x13 top gear which 26ft rollout.
spinning out to me is 140rpms or 41.5mph. i think the other guys are correct in that your idea of spinning out is very low cadence. track racers get up to above 160rpms in a sprint, standing!
by the way i hate junior gears when i am in a break in a mens race, 40mph paceline is not cool on junior gears.
Its very good for you, it protects your knees at your age.Canidraftyou
Jul 20, 2002 4:36 PM
Running a 13 cog is only going to make you a better cyclist for years to come. Once your able to master the 13 and come of age, the whole world opens up. If your running in pacelines in the area of 40 mph in a 13 your doing VERY WELL! I like running my 53/18 in pacelines, hitting 100+ rpms for 2 hrs at a time. Alot like motor pacing.

At 17/18 yrs of age your knees should start being able to take the punishment. Go ahead and hold off. Ever play "Babe Ruth Ball" if the coach knows what he's doing he is not going to allow you to throw more than 3 inning and no more than 1/3 of the pitches fast balls. A young body cant take the punishment. Alot of young ball players could of gone the Majors if the coaches would of held back. Same thing with you in cycling. Hold off, you have great years ahead of ya.

Peace dude
Dude! are you guys even reading the same post I did?allervite
Jul 21, 2002 9:43 PM
She never said that She was spinning out at 120 rpms. She just said she was spinning out.
Allervite must want a date with Chronola.Canidraftyou
Jul 22, 2002 5:09 PM
Why spend so much energy on a subject you dont know about. I and others are setting a standard for her to shot for, before she thinks about going to an 11. Im saying, if you cant spin at 120 in a 12 then dont think that you have the POWER to crank a 11, because you dont!!!

Bike on!
You don't know anything about what I do and don't know about.allervite
Jul 23, 2002 3:37 PM
Chinola never said she was spun out at 120 rpms. You guys put words in her mouth and then told her she was wrong about something she never said.

Why spend so much time telling someone they are wrong about something they never said and you ass-u-med.
Thank you Allervite!Chonola
Jul 24, 2002 9:24 AM
Thanks Allervite - looks like you some sense unlike some of the people (..um "canIdrafyou") on this forum replying to this thread.

And as for everyone else who thinks it is impossible for a tiny chick to turn a high gear at a high cadence and sprint well...think again.
And NO I am not spun out in the 12 at 120 RPMs. More like 100-105 and that's usually when I am 4th or 5th seat jockeying for a sprint...

OH WAIT! My cassette must be broken! My 12 must be a 19! No wonder! OH, you men are so right...I would never be able to turn a high gear! Oh, I am such a blonde.
It has nothing to do with you being a woman,TJeanloz
Jul 24, 2002 10:23 AM
Or being small for that matter.

I don't think I know anybody who can spin out a 12 on a flat course. I've seen it done on some steep descents, and I've seen it done when drafting a van, but never in a race situation.

Your comment proves everybody's point. If you consider 100-105 rpm spun out, you will be better served by improving your spin than by getting bigger gears. 100-105 should be an AVERAGE cadence, not a high cadence. A high cadence is 150-160 rpm, which would take you up to 56mph in a 53/12- which should be plenty fast enough.
ENOUGH. ENOUGH. ENOUGH>Chonola
Jul 24, 2002 11:34 AM
Spinning out in a large pack is not that difficult.

I guess what "I" meant by spun out is bouncing around in my saddle and having no more gears. I know I need to maximize the efficiency of my spin. And YES I can spin 160-180 in lower gears...just gotta translate that to my biggest. That's all.

ENOUGH!

Angela R.
O.K. madam, whatever you say,TJeanloz
Jul 24, 2002 12:32 PM
You clearly know this topic inside and out, which leaves me confused about why you asked a question that you already knew the answer to.

I maintain that I don't know anybody who spins out a 53/12 on a flat road sprint finish, which, for those keeping score at home, translates to somewhere between 50 and 60 miles per hour.
O.K. madam, whatever you say,RockyMountainRacer
Jul 24, 2002 1:18 PM
Have you ever heard of Tom Steels? He spins out a 53/12 on a flat road sprint finish, and I've never seen him hit between 50 and 60 miles per hour. Heard of Mario Cippolini? He actually prefers the 53/11, which he also spins out on a flat road sprint finish, once again, going closer to 45 than between 50 and 60 miles per hour. Those tour riders sure are fast though, aren't they? Maybe they are going 50 or 60 at the finish. Or maybe you're just a jackass. Which seems more likely?
I have heard of them,TJeanloz
Jul 24, 2002 1:49 PM
I know of them, but I don't know them. I do know some pretty fast guys, and ladies for that matter.

And yes, I tend to be a jackass.

Had I known that Tom Steels and Mario Cippolini were the ones asking the questions, my response would likely have been different. I had heard that most of the Tour sprinters are running 55/14's or so in the sprints (you may have better information here than me), though I don't know why they would ask me for advice, nor do I know why the original poster would ask for advice that she was just going to sneer at and get all cranky about (look at the original post, the two potential answers were: yes, get the 11, you need it; and no, a 12 is suitible for most sprinters. And if she's already eliminated the second option, why does she ask the question?)
I have heard of them,RockyMountainRacer
Jul 24, 2002 2:34 PM
You don't bait easy do you? I was only ragging on you because of your dubious speed/cadence calculation.

Steels was featured in an article in Bicycling magazine a few years ago when he was at the top of his game, and he said at the time that he prefers a 53/12 and sometimes even runs a 52/12 if the finish is a false flat or whatever. He said that he prefers a higher cadence than most other sprinters, and also said that a 52/12 should be plenty big for most all amateurs (he also said that you should work on leg speed and power--not get a bigger gear--if you couldn't turn it over fast enough, like some of the other posters said earlier in the thread). Steels is from a track background though, so he's probably been working on leg speed forever and can hit 140 rpms no problem.

Granted, this is info from 2 or 3 years ago, so you may be right that the sprinters are mostly running 55/14's nowadays. I don't know much about what the McEwen/O'Grady/Cooke/Zabel crowd is doing these days.

Now, for Chonola: I am just relating what Steels said, not telling you that you can't turn over the gear fast enough! I would say go ahead and get the 11-23 cog for a short-term fix, but make sure you work on leg speed and power plenty in the off-season.
Me, bait easy?TJeanloz
Jul 24, 2002 2:52 PM
Not usually, but I haven't been home from work since Sunday.

I'm crossing my fingers that I get to sleep tonight.
What I have decided....Chonola
Jul 25, 2002 5:13 AM
Is to stick with the 23-12 combo. Just FYI.

Angela
A "?" at the end of a sentance means your asking a question.Canidraftyou
Jul 25, 2002 3:57 PM
I was simply giving you my answer to your question. I thought that was the reason for the message board. My bad! Race/Sex is not the issue. "Why do minorities always cry out discrimination before a sin on the accused is even commetted" (ME). That was a question with quotations, but no queston mark, because i dont care to hear your answer!!!

Bike on, far away from me.
Bad Form!allervite
Jul 25, 2002 5:12 PM
"Why do minorities always cry out discrimination before a sin on the accused is even commetted (Sic)."

If your goal is to offend a lot of people, than great job!
You made a good argument, and your advice to work on leg speed was sound, but generalizations like the one above discredit everything you said and quite frankly, make you sound like an idiot.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume you were just being careless with your words.