|My rant and warning of crit racing on the front range||GV|
Jul 10, 2002 2:25 PM
|I read this board from time to time when I can but usually I do not have much to say. I also know that quite a few of you are from the front range area. My rant goes to the springs crit last weekend. I usually do not like to race crits but figured I only need 1 point to upgrade and this is close to home so what the hell. The course is a figure 8 that does not cross and is plenty wide so it should be safe. The race is going pretty well. I know I am not going to win but should be able to get the upgrade point. I win the first preem and am staying towards the front ( isn't that were you should be to stay out of trouble). The 2nd to last corner is a left to a slight uphill. Last lap I am in 4th position moving up on the outside. I figure I will go for it up the slight hill and just leadout the sprint. This should get me in the top 6 anyway. In the turn some guy cuts into the gutter ( I do mean the gutter ) to make an inside pass in the corner. He swings wide locks up with the guy in front of me. As I swing wide to get around them they clip my back end. I end up scraping up a curb on my right side with my bike. Everything goes slow motion and I am thinking no problem I can ride this out and stop with out going down. Well that lasted 10 feet before I get intoduced to a parking meter at 20+mph.
Now this is the part that really gets to me. As I am laying there in the street holding my knee and all the perimedics and my friends are around the guy who caused the crash ( according to the everybody I talked to ) comes up and tells me he is a "doctor" and I will be fine if I take ibuprofen and use lots of ice. Now keep in mind I can hardly say my name to the perimedics because my knee hurts so bad. All I can do is moan and say nice short phrases that should not be repeated. This guy is also telling everybody that I was coming up from behind him.
So off to the hospital I go and to make a long story a little shorter, it took 2 vicadin and a shot of morphine before they could straighten my leg out and imobilize my knee. I will be getting to have knee surgery next week to repair the brocken bones in my knee. Ibuprofen and ice right. So I am going to do my best to thank this kind person who ended my best season ever with a stupid move for no reason and then felt he needed to come give medical advise not to mention try to blame me for the crash. I can only imagine a real doctor that sees somebody hit a solid object and is in intense pain would only recommend x-rays and the emergency room.
Jul 10, 2002 5:33 PM
|First off, I'm sorry to hear about your nasty crash. I hope you heal well and have many years of good riding ahead of you.
It sounds like the guy is pretty clueless, or terribly ashamed and was inwardly hoping that you weren't hurt badly. Most likely once he took that bad turn he knew he screwed up and he didn't have the guts to come forward and apologize for his bad judgement.
|that sucks...and that's why i don't race crits (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Jul 11, 2002 6:35 AM
Jul 11, 2002 7:55 AM
|That really does suck. I know where you're coming from because I've done several front range crits and seen much of the same stupid behavior and people getting hurt. I hope you heal up soon and I'm sorry about your season.
I ride in a training crit once a week, and it is funny that everyone is nice and polite as can be in training. But then I see those same guys I train with in a race cutting people off. Go figure.
|This happened to me once.||Pack Meat|
Jul 11, 2002 8:12 AM
|The guy took me down from behind, I was in front of him, it was my line and I held it through the corner he overlapped with my rear wheel and he blamed it on me. Everybody that was watching said it was the dumbest thing they had ever seen. You need to call this guy out. I'd like to hear his side, I bet he was cutting the corner. Let me know if he was an RRV guy, if it was he will be removed from the team. I think ACA and USCF officials and most racers take this kind of thing to lightly, there should be an investigation when serious crashes occur and if it's found that a rider is riding dangerously they should be suspended. I have never seen anybody penalized for causing a crash. I have even seen this guy literally tackle another rider, they had to take the victim away in an ambulence. With no official penaly for this type of action it can lead to people taking matters into their own hands.
|...and it's not an issue with the Front Range it's a Cat 4 thing||Pack Meat|
Jul 11, 2002 8:14 AM
|It's the same anywhere you go. We might just see bigger than average fields but that doesn't seem to have been a problem in this race.|
|Just like Sara Kay||BipedZed|
Jul 11, 2002 8:26 AM
|The crash was in the Cat 3 race on the 2nd left corner before the finish. According to my teammate everyone took the wide outside line and this guy decided to dive in the inside. He couldn't hold his line and the rest happened according to GV. My teammate has been a 3 for 5 years or so and said this is the worst year he's ever seen for stupid moves in the Cat 3s.
My theory is that because ACA got rid of the BAR competition in the 4s many people upgraded to Cat 3 and now you have lots of new relatively inexperienced guys in the 3s.
For the most part I've found the crits to be safer than the road races so far this year.
GV, sorry about your crash. Hope you have a fast and full recovery.
|This was a 3's thing||GV|
Jul 11, 2002 8:39 AM
|This was a 3's race. I agree with what was said about the aca upgrading people before they are ready. This should have been a safe course but it had 3 crashes on the last lap. There was even a crash after the finish I heard. The 4's went crash free all day. The only other crash of the day happened in the pro women|
|That sucks, heal quick||climbo|
Jul 11, 2002 8:46 AM
|Crashes are the risk in all races. Crits are generally pretty good in my experience. Road races are sometimes VERY fast. You might crash at 40mph instead of 20mph. Look at the Tour today, PRO RACE, guy crashes and goes to hospital, they even have the whole road. On the other hand, did you see the sprint from 2 days ago, coming in to that last really tight right hand bend. Hunter flew into that on the inside, it was awesome, and no crashes in that corner before the sprint. Amazing that crashes happen in the most odd places in a race, not where you would expect them to.
Basically it doesn't matter where or what you ride, it's bound to happen if you race, hopefully not more than once.
|I was going to add that it's also a 3s thing||Pack Meat|
Jul 11, 2002 12:30 PM
|It's been bad all year but it's no different than anywhere else in the country. In Illinois, back in the day, the 3's crashed on the last corner of the last lap 5 races in a row.
There isn't an excuse for that kind of thing. Accidents happen yes, but when somebody does something stupid and doesn't admit it or realize it I get pissed.
Keep us posted on your recovery.
|not only on the front range||No_sprint|
Jul 15, 2002 10:41 AM
|Sorry to hear about your serious crash and ensuing crap you had to deal with. Best of luck in the healing process. If you're not a crossracer, it's the end of the season so take it easy and heal fully and properly.
It's everywhere and every cat has it's particulars. I've seen cat 3s jump up onto a curb and back down to get an inside line. I've seen aggressive 2s purposely push guys to the side. I've seen 4s and 5s fully sweeping other riders to the concrete while clueless that they caused a vicious crash. Wheel touching and near misses happen countless times week in, week out.