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I finanlly crashed...(9 posts)

I finanlly crashed...Qubeley
Jul 1, 2002 12:54 PM
Finally, I hit the pavement, in yesterday's race. A poorly orgainzed race(cars on the course supposedly closed to traffic waiting for the red light to turn green!? et.al.), but my crash has nothing to do with poor organization.
It was 6th or 7th laps into 10 laps total. Right before start/finish. Everybody seemed to be kind of nervous at the time, and people moved up and down the pack. I was overlapping my front wheel with the rear wheel of the guy in front of me. He swirled a bit, and pulled my front wheel. I went down, took out several guy with me, scraped my side badly.
I felt it's nobody's fault, I don't blame the guy in front of me, I don't think there's anything I can do better to avoid it next time either. So, I guess that's just bad luck. I was very pissed off, because I was feeling so strong, I did not even need to use the big ring yet, except at the bottom of the a descend. I really thought I could put up a good sprint... Oh well, there are people going down every week, as a racer, I guess I just have to take my turn. But man, on the day I felt so good? that's something to loath over.
I watched some cycling video afterward, trying to see if the pros overlap wheels. They do too. I am comforted, I knew it wasn't my fault, it's just bad luck.
The entire month of June was something I'd like to forget, I tried to race three times, did not see the finish even once: 1 puncture, 1 drop out, and 1 crash. I guess my goal of upgrading to 3 will have to be put off till next season.
Having whined, I feel better.
The crash was your faultBipedZed
Jul 1, 2002 2:41 PM
From what it sounds like, you pulled a HUGE faux pas by overlapping wheels. Your position should be either behind or to the side of the wheel in front of you. If you end up overlapping then you either need to back off or pull up along side to make the rider aware of your presence. In the beginning categories (5/4/3) you have to be super aware of guys who swerve or don't hold a predictable line by NOT overlapping wheels.

I was taken out at the Gila by a guy who overlapped wheels and crashed when the guy in front moved over. That resulted in 5 guys behind him going down hard, guess who the finger was pointed at, not the guy in front.

Learn from this experience and make a conscious effort not to do it again. Likely you will be remembered for some time by the guys you took down.
yep nmgreg n
Jul 2, 2002 6:01 AM
I think public flogging is in order nmDougSloan
Jul 2, 2002 6:23 AM
I think he just did. nmbill
Jul 2, 2002 7:21 AM
nm
Thanks for all your guy's comment...Qubeley
Jul 2, 2002 5:11 PM
really constructive, really made me feel like being part of the community. I appriciate people pointing out my lack of racing knowledge, but to all the "nm" people, PLEASE, be more generous, give me some MORE>>>
As a beginner, I am in no position to defend myself. However, it is not like I kept overlapping wheel, it just sort of happen in a group of nervous riders. Anyone who say they never overlap wheels I bow to you.
Anyway, although this past month was a disaster as far as result goes, it was certainly a very sharp learning curve, dropping out for blowing up, crash, dealing with craps. After this crash, I will for sure be ever more careful in the pack. Hopefully I can go to the race this weekend and win back some confidence, put all the bad experience behind...
the lessonDougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 6:00 AM
The one who overlaps causes the accident. That was the point we were trying to make. All it takes is a few seconds.

On a constructive note, you might try some handling exercises. Get together with another rider. Riding slowly at first, maybe even on grass, intentionally overlap and bump your front wheel sideways into the rear of the other guy. Feel what happens. Counterintuitively, you should steer into the other wheel, not away from it. It feels weird, but it might help to avoid an accident. You likely won't take out the front rider, as the rear wheel is much more stable. Try it.

Doug
Differencesfiltersweep
Jul 3, 2002 7:21 PM
I certainly don't know the details here, and yes, overlapping is not a good thing, and it sounds like you definitely "learned your lesson"- but for crying out loud, how self righteous can people be? In the heat of a race, people overlap wheels here and there all the time, maybe for just a fraction of a second, but I defy anyone to say they have NEVER overlapped. Of course holding an overlap is a recipe for disaster. And, like it or not, it is your fault... it's like rear ending someone in a car... it is always the fault of the car behind.
re: you took me down as well!!!The Badger
Jul 5, 2002 8:49 AM
I ran over someone, flipped over the bars, and landed on my shoulder. I now have a separated shoulder and my season is over. You're not totally to blame and I realize that crashes happen and it's part of the risks inherent in racing. But considering you overlapped the guy in front of you, I would suggest that you bear alot of the responsibility. Yes, I agree that everyone overlaps wheels and its seems that some crashes are hard to avoid. But when you overlap wheels in a race: a)you should have been vigilent enough to respond to a swerve of the front rider(within reason) b)corrected yourself so that you are no longer overlapping c)sought a different line to escape to.

I agree that it was a very poorly run race and perhaps it made everyone nervous. Although the screwed up organizers didn't directly cause the crash, I feel they did not provide for a safe race. As you know, after catching the 1/2 field the officials were indecisive about letting us pass. There was alot of confusion in the race. Many of the riders felt the same way and protested the race afterwards.

For me there is no point, my season is gone.