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Does citizen mean cat5?(15 posts)

Does citizen mean cat5?TomS
Jun 27, 2002 10:14 AM
Just looking online at different race flyers, seeing different terminology for the cat below cat4...
re: Does citizen mean cat5?Gianni
Jun 27, 2002 10:46 AM
Citizen and Cat 5 usually race together, unless the race has separate start times for both Citizen and Cat 5. Citizen usually implies that you do not have a USCF license and will be buying a 1 day license.
re: Does citizen mean cat5?brider
Jun 27, 2002 12:03 PM
It's my understanding that a 1-day license makes you a Cat 5 for that day. Semantics, I know.
ACA vs. USCFBipedZed
Jun 27, 2002 12:22 PM
If I recall you are in CO and that means you are most likely looking at ACA race flyers. ACA is a regional orgainization and covers 99% of road racing in CO. There is no Cat 5 in ACA, all beginning racers start with Cat 4. Some races will have a Citizen category which is primarily for those interested in trying racing for the very first time. It would be a good place to start but not necessarily representative of racing in the real categories as field sizes will be small with no real racing experience among the participants. Most people in CO start with Cat 4.
Yup, I was looking at ACA flyersTomS
Jun 27, 2002 12:51 PM
Specifically the Mike Horgan Hill Climb on, just checking out the route... and wondering how many hours behind the pack I'd finish if I tried it! :-) Ok, I'm probably underestimating myself, but still - it wouldn't be pretty.

Anyway there is a cat4/citizen field, instead of a cat4/5 field, that's why I was confused. It makes sense now, thanks.
If you're talking Mt. EvansColnagoFE
Jun 28, 2002 7:28 AM
Doesn't the citizen's start at some ungodly hour like 7am? I raced 35+ cat 4 just to be able to start a bit later. That said...the better weather is in the morning in most cases. If you've not raced much or done a lot of climbing you likely won't place (look at the times from previous races). The winner for Cat 4/5 often is faster than the cat 2-3s winner. Same for the citizens. Just enter something and race it at your own pace. Don't start off too strong because if you blow at over 10,000 feet you'll never recover. Don't'll catch back up to a lot of those who started off too hard as you climb.
No, this is up boulder canyon...TomS
Jun 28, 2002 8:45 AM
The route starts in boulder, goes up the canyon a few miles, then takes magnolia up to Nederland. After Ned it goes up to eldora and the finish line is at the lake right before eldora.

I haven't done any racing, ever; I'm ok on climbs (compared to guys I ride with anyway) but I was really only thinking hypothetically - just daydreaming. I plan to hook up with a club sometime soon to learn some group skills and maybe start racing next year.
I'm in Denver....wulf
Jun 28, 2002 10:05 AM
and haven't done any racing either, though I'd like to, and I'm also looking fora club ride that won't kill me. Where do you usually ride? I live in the city park area, so if you want to ride sometime, drop me a line:

- Wulf
Usually ride around boulderTomS
Jul 2, 2002 2:24 PM
and mostly go north/NE/NW from there. I've found that going south leads to more and more traffic (seems to be worse this year than last year too!)

I live on the western edge of louisville, at McCaslin and S. Boulder.
Louisville Rides?lonefrontranger
Jul 2, 2002 3:00 PM
Have you come out and done any of the LVC rides? The shop is about 5 minutes away from you.

I live in Lafayette near Waneka incidentally.
I've been meaning to, but...TomS
Jul 3, 2002 6:27 AM
Been thinking about it for a while now, I guess I'm kinda shy about dropping in on new groups... Do you have to join the louisville velo club to do the rides? A guy I know who rode with them once or twice said you don't, but when I called the person I spoke to said I needed to join the club and buy a jersey (!) to do the rides.

Are they race-oriented "training" rides, or more informal group rides? I'm looking for a little of both at this point, whatever I can keep up with! I really need to learn some group skills, I realize it's probably too late this season to get in shape to try to race, everyone else is in peak shape now, but maybe next spring.

Lately I've been riding with a couple of co-workers off and on, we're planning on doing the horsetooth 100 in fort collins on the 20th, that'll be my first century... :-) So I'm focusing on longer rides at the moment, but after that I'll be up for focusing more on speed.
LVC is a good grouplonefrontranger
Jul 3, 2002 7:01 AM
The Louisville rides are both race-oriented training rides AND group rides. The group usually splits into faster / slower groups, and they practice what I call a "modified" no-drop policy. This means they go hard at the front, but everyone waits up at key points during the ride to allow the rest to catch back on.

Terry (the ride leader) won't let anyone get dropped. He's really a great guy too and knows a lot about the sport.

I don't know who you talked to at the shop who told you that you had to join the club and buy a jersey to do the rides, but that not a requirement that I've ever heard of. My SO and I started showing up on these rides a week after we moved here from Ohio. Plenty of random guys and riders / racers from other clubs participate. Show up with a road bike, preferably without aerobars (or be prepared to endure Terry's aerobar / group ride lecture). Of all the racing / club rides in the area, the LVC is the least likely to give you the brushoff.

Rides go out on Mondays at 6 PM (the Weekday World Championships for all the guys who didn't race over the weekend, so it's fast), Thursdays 6 PM (more mellow) and Saturday mornings at 9 AM. The Saturday ride is 3-4 hours of the typical racer bunch hang-on-till-you-die kinda thing, but Terry always keeps track of anyone who gets dropped.

If you want something truly mellow as a Monday recovery ride, swing through Boulder and join me at the Boulder Women's Cycling / Rallysport ride at 6 PM. I no longer do the Monday night LVC ride in favor of this one (team requirement). It leaves from Rallysport on 29th and Valmont at 6 PM.
Cool, I'll check it out next weekTomS
Jul 3, 2002 8:01 AM
Going out of town for the holiday, won't be back until monday afternoon. I'll try to just drop in on the lvc ride on thursday. If you're there I'll be the guy with hairy legs on a yellow&black univega taking 5 minutes to clip into my pedals (just switched from spd to looks last week). And I don't even own aerobars so don't worry about that.

So, um, is the rallysport ride co-ed? Wouldn't want to drop in on a women's ride if I wasn't supposed to... and my wife probably wouldn't like that either :-)
Rally ridelonefrontranger
Jul 3, 2002 9:46 AM
The Rally ride is TOTALLY co-ed. In fact it's an interesting phenomenon that a handful of serious bike racer dudes show up each week to get a full recovery ride in after their hard race weekend. Or maybe they just like noodling around and talking to a bunch of lady bike racers ;)

We had SimpleGreen / Mazda guys 2 weeks ago. Pro Peloton guys the week before that. This past Monday a couple of Schwinn factory team guys showed up, one of whom kept me honest with his PowerTap by pointing out when I was going a tad too hard for his target recovery zone :)

You can reassure your wife that we are all "off the market" so to speak. Well, all but the 16-year-old... and she's legally off the market anyhow.
have some small gearsColnagoFE
Jul 1, 2002 9:16 AM
Magnolia is STEEP! Good luck.