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BipedZed/Lonefrontranger/Pack Meat, how was Lonmont?(12 posts)

BipedZed/Lonefrontranger/Pack Meat, how was Lonmont?cguck8
Jun 23, 2002 10:19 PM
How was Longmont? I was pissed, I had to work. I'll be at
Andy Finch though.
Fast and funBipedZed
Jun 24, 2002 4:09 AM
In the 3s definitely the fastest crit of the year. There were a few small breaks that never got away. Very turny course so it was tough to move up except on the long start/finishing straight with a headwind. One small crash with about 20 minutes to go but overall a very hard, fun crit. I met my goals of not going down and finishing with the pack.

Andy Finch will be painful.
felt like hell and raced like it toolonefrontranger
Jun 24, 2002 6:24 AM
Fifth again, bleh. I'm apparently not well recovered from my fever on Wednesday either because I felt lousy yesterday.

Had the good wheel at the bell, then lost it through my own cowardice when we dodged around a fallen rider in Corner #2. Was also trying to lead out a teammate who (it turns out) didn't have the legs for the windup, but that's no excuse for letting my position slide through the final 2 turns... I burned way too many matches anyway in the final 7 laps or so; a couple of the 35+ gals and I kept trying to get a breakaway established after the primes, but no dice. I so agree with Dede Demet and what she says about women's racing in her most recent Bike.com interview - women's racing in general is very negative. Everyone is so scared of attacking, they all just want to sit in until they get dropped or there's a field sprint, grrr!

Pack Meat is my hero! I can't describe how hot it was out there all day. I got 3 hours' sleep on Saturday night, then was in the registration booth from 6 AM until 5.30 PM.
did you wear a button down business shirtishmael
Jun 24, 2002 6:48 AM
You wrote in another thread that you wear an undershirt and a button-down under your jersey to keep cool. Is that a high altitude solution? Did I read you correctly?

About this thread, why dont you avoid the crits and do full road races? Less crashes and less riding in a pack for a final sprint.
no idea what you're talking about (nm)lonefrontranger
Jun 24, 2002 10:46 AM
me eitherishmael
Jun 24, 2002 3:53 PM
I mis-read your post about wearing a water pack on your back from a couple days ago. For some reason I thought you wore a button down shirt to keep cool. I think some wires got crossed while I was reading, carry on.
Fast yes, fun? it would have been if I didn't suck so bad.Pack Meat
Jun 24, 2002 6:59 AM
I sat in the back and I couldn't really move up and felt pretty maxed out the whole time. That was the most crit like crit I've done all year. I haven't been training for that kind of stuff.

I earned my name and finished pack meat.
Well it WAS State Crit Championships...BipedZed
Jun 24, 2002 7:14 AM
It's all relative...no shame in finishing with the pack in that crit. We averaged over 27mph on a course where we were basically constantly cornering. My average HR was pegged the entire 60 minutes and it was the highest average HR I've ever seen in a crit.

That crash towards the end spooked me and I got tentative for the finish. After 2 hard crashes earlier this season I need to stay upright for awhile to gain back some confidence. Ironic that I've had better luck with crashes in crits than road races in the 3s. My theory is that in crits everyone is 100% focused for 45/60 minutes whereas in a long 70+ mile road races over 3hrs guys start to get sloppy when the pace eases and start overlapping wheels. Yesterday I thought most guys were very skilled in the corners.

Our "protected" teammate got in an early break with Walp and Shippey but it didn't stick. The course was too flat for any kind of real selection to form, particularly with that headwind on the long finishing straight.
The end was scaryPack Meat
Jun 24, 2002 7:45 AM
I think every single corner on the last lap somebody was either touching wheels, fading fast, clipping pedals or taking a really bad line. I should have taken more chance to move up with 15 minutes to go. It's hard to rationalize during the race that it's better to blow up attempting to set up your position for the finish than to be stuck in the back desperatly attempting to move up in the last 2 laps.

There are a number of scary dudes that race 3s. Zed you will tell me if I'm one of them and if I'm wrong. The guy that scares me the most is the bulky Schwab guy, not the really tall one, the guy that was wearing a wrap on his knee. Me and my buddy were referring to him as our favorite crash waiting to happen.

I hoping next week is a little more selective and that I don't get selected out. I am really concerned about the air quality down in that area.
Scary dudesBipedZed
Jun 24, 2002 8:48 AM
I know who you're talking about. I moved away from him every time he was near me. The Pro Peloton guys scare me the most, in fact the guy that crashed towards the end was a PP guy that also crashed at the Excel Crit. I'll have to ask my friend at lunch today what happened as he was right behind him and had to go up the curb onto the grass.

Andy Finch is going to be incredibly selective. 8 times up that climb is going to separate the men from the boys and I'll probably find myself riding a Green Machine half way through...just like Estes.
Scary dudesBrokenSpoke
Jun 28, 2002 6:55 AM
I don't know that it is fair to characterize an entire team based on the fact that the same rider crashed in 2 races. I was out at Longmont and there were lots of scary riders out there from all teams. Everyone seemed to have difficulty with the r/h l/h turn combination on every lap. Some riders held their line well a nd others seemed unsure upon exiting the l/h turn. They probably were uncomfortable with the ides of hitting the jolting bump while still completing their turn. As far as the Pro Peleton guy, I saw him go down but didn't see the cause. I didn't here a pedal hit so it was probably an overlap of wheels. Was it his fault or was he just in the wrong place? Only he knows. I think everyone on this board has been involved in a crash where it wasn't their fault. Does that make him a bad rider? No. Does that make him unlucky? Most likely. Just my opinion.
I believe Zed was referring to two specificPack Meat
Jun 28, 2002 12:13 PM
Pro Peloton guys and I knew exactly who he was referring to. Don't be silly, it would be ridiculous to pass judgement on any individual based on a team relationship. I know a bunch of Pro Peloton riders that are very competent but there are two specific riders that seem to be involved in more than the normal luck mishaps. Further, it would be even sillier to classify crashes as unlucky. Yes there is a component of luck but does everybody's luck change when they move into the Pro 1,2 cat, no, riders are just more skilled/experienced and have a higher level of fitness so they are not forced to take stupid lines just to make up a little space or take stupid risks. The crash is always your fault if you skip a pedal or overlap wheels. I would go so far as to say that it's your fault if you do not properly maintain your equipment. Some people take stupid risks, don't have bike handling skills, don't have the fitness level or just get to nervous to say it's just luck. See you at Andy Finch?

Keep the rubber side down.
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