|Why doesn't the ACA have cat 5?||RockyMountainRacer|
Jun 5, 2002 8:33 AM
|Hey everybody, this question is definitely directed to the Colorado racers on the board. So do any of you know why this is? I was told that they used to have a cat 5 but they dropped the category recently.
I started wondering about this in the City Park crit--I got dropped by the lead pack 5 laps in, and then I was time trialing. I figured I'd be doing that untill the leaders came around and caught me and I was pulled, but the next thing I knew I was caught by a large pack that was not the leaders. So I did the rest of the race in a big chase pack of about 20 riders. They even gave us a prime with 4 to go because it was such a big pack. So it seemed that the race had kind of naturally split into cat 4's and cat 5's.
So anybody have any theories as to why the ACA dropped the 5's? The more I think about it the less sense it makes, because from what I hear Colorado is suppossed to have some of the most competitive racing in the country. Therefore all the cat 4 crits I've done this year have had huge fields since they are basically combined 4/5 fields. Seems to me this could discourage a lot of newbies from getting into road racing because there is HUGE disparity between the dudes that lead these cat 4 races and the newbies. Ah well, I'd love to hear some other Colorado racers views on the subject, and also how you all did at City Park!
Jun 5, 2002 9:06 AM
|Trying to get out for a lunch ride so I'll keep it brief.
No Cat 5 in ACA because it's too much of a hassle for promoters. Field sizes are large in all the different categories which require separate start times. Adding another separate Cat 5 category is just infeasible (not enough time in the day). ACA added a 35+ Cat 4 category last year which created more headaches for promoters. The category was popular enough that it stuck around.
|the Biped is right||lonefrontranger|
Jun 5, 2002 9:21 AM
|They had a HUGE argument about just this topic at last year's policy / rules voter meeting, and basically decided to stick to the status quo.
In the Midwest, they typically combined Men's 4/5 fields anyway, so I somewhat doubt you'd be better off somehow.
Not much I can tell you except to keep plugging at it. Look at it from my perspective: If you think it sucks to be a Cat 5 (equivalent) guy, just imagine how it is being a Cat 3 woman and racing against Veritas, Alison Dunlap, Dede Demet and Team Diet Rite every week.
Jun 5, 2002 10:19 AM
|Yes, I guess I can see how it complicates things for the promoters. And don't worry, I am having a good time and like to "keep plugging at it." I think I have a good amount of what you call "#3" in your other post! All this road racing has helped me a lot with my mountain biking: I already have 2 podium finishes this year (both bronze), and should be able to move up to Expert by the end of the season. Still, I can't wait till I can be competitive in crits as well. I'm getting close--I may have to wait till next year, but I can be patient.|
|re: Why doesn't the ACA have cat 5?||LC|
Jun 5, 2002 11:24 AM
|I have yet to see a Cat 5 race yet in the NW. It always combines in to 4/5 so they might as well drop cat 5. It would be nice if they at least placed the Cat 4 and 5 separatly even if they start together.|
|re: Why doesn't the ACA have cat 5?||mixinbeatz|
Jun 5, 2002 12:05 PM
|I don't think that it really makes sense to place the 4 and 5's separately in the same race. If you look at the season's results thus far in the 4-5's(in the NW), a lot of the riders who were top 5 in races and upgrading up to the 3's were in their first year of racing(Cat 5's). I think it would confuse things to place them separately. A 4 is just a 5 that has done 10 races afterall. With a solid program and dedication, I don't think that it is difficult for most people to place in a 4-5 race.
my 2 bits.
|re: Why doesn't the ACA have cat 5?||fastfinish|
Jun 6, 2002 10:34 AM
|In the southeast we always have a seperate Cat.5 race. I think it works great because it gives all these new racers 10 times to figure out what is going on and get thier self together before they move on to Cat.4. This really helps Cat. 4 become a safer catagory for the individuals who don't have the desire or talent to be competitive at a higher Cat. and stay a 4 for years. Then we almost always have a seperate Cat. 3 class and a Pro/1/2 which seems to be a great balance where all levels of riders can find a competitive and enjoyable racing environment.
I think you are right about running people out of the sport if you don't have a class for them and just drop the newbies in with guys that have years of experience. The promoters have to realize the future of the sport is in the new racers just entering the sport and you don't want to run them off right off the bat.