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What would you do?allervite
May 6, 2002 9:13 AM
Had my first Real race this Sunday: MTB, 31 miles, 6000+ feet of climbing. Did ok: finished 9th.

On the fast slightly downhill run in to the finish, a guy appears on my backwheel and does not want to pull through. I sit up, let him by and attack. He catches back slowly. I sit up to repeat previous move but this time as I attack, I cramp hard in the inner thigh. I ease up and let him by. The finish is only about a mile away. I realy wanted to be in front for that last corner, but just could not do the power thing without cramping. We exit the last corner and he stands to sprint at about 400 meters, 26 mph. I go about 10 meters behind him, but am just exploding past him. Then I pull out of my pedal, clip back in and have another go at about 200 m. He looks back and sees me catching him quickly. There are no barriers, just spectators lining the street. He takes me into the spectators. I immediately hit the brakes and sit up. He swerves back into the road as I dodge people (luckily I barely missed em as they dove off the side of the road). I swerve back into the road still not pedaling, but my momentum has brought me beside the guy. He clips out and KICKS me hard above the ankle and continues sprinting. In my first flash of anger, I considered shoving his bike up his. . . ah you get the idea. But then I considered the crowd and my Team's Image. I let it go and rode away, but I still wish I would have confronted him.
re: What would you do?brider
May 6, 2002 9:38 AM
That is clear unsportsman-like conduct, and is a clear situation where a formal protest should be lodged with the officials. You have witnesses. Of course at this point it's just water under the bridge -- it should have been done immediately. This guy will undoubtedly do it again if it isn't nipped in the bud early. Put the word out in the racing community in your area -- this guy will either wash out or change. What would I have done? Don't really know. Years ago I probably would have dove on him and drowned him in a pool of his own blood. Now, I'd probably just sit up, let him take the "win" in front of the crowd, and lodge the protest to get him DQ'd.
Agree with Brider.... formal protest.mixinbeatz
May 6, 2002 11:43 AM
If this guy is on a team, I don't think it would hurt to talk to his director. A lot of times the veteran riders want to hear this kind of info, cause it makes the whole team look bad. In my district, I have made it a goal to be really nice to the 5 or so people that are always placing. This gives you the ability to gang up riders that do this kind of stuff in the sprint. Once you have stronger riders from 2 or 3 teams screaming at the a hole, they usually straighten up.
May 6, 2002 12:56 PM
I thought about it, but it was not a sanctioned event. I could have tried though. I will be sure everybody knows his name around here. (We finished with the exact same time).

I know I did the right thing by turning the other cheek, but it would have been a lot more satisfying to have taken his example, and acted like a complete idiot.
You did the right thing.shirt
May 6, 2002 9:43 PM
Ignoring it was the right thing to do. I mean it.

But if he kicked me I would have knocked him off his bike, stopped and kicked his teeth out. If he sued I'd claim self defense and could get a lawyer to prove it.

I frequently do the wrong thing, though. I have great respect for you to be able to pull it off...

Thanks (nm)allervite
May 7, 2002 8:57 AM
Just because you're in a race...Wayne
May 6, 2002 11:19 AM
doesn't mean the laws of society don't apply. Sure, in a race some shoulder bumping, etc. might occur fighting for position but that's part of the game. But unclipping and kicking someone is an assault. If it happened at the finish, didn't other people see it? If it was me I would have either have confronted the guy and/or gotten a cop if there was one on hand and tried to have had the guy arrested. Always amazes me how there are some wackos who take weekend warrior sports so seriously they're willing to hurt someone to finish 9th instead of 10th.
Welcome to racing!!!Fender
May 6, 2002 12:45 PM
I agree with all the other comments as to protesting against the rider, especially if it occurred close to the finishing line. Now I've had several experiences similar to yours, one while doing a track races (as in a velodrome. This one rider (with a really bad euro accent) throws a punch at my thigh because he thought I was riding too sketchy for him. After he punchs my thigh I yelled in his face "your touch me one more time and I will make sure you never get off the track, you got that as...." Immediatly after the race I confronted him and demanded why he had punched me and warned him that if it ever happened again I would make sure he hits the floor. The guy never touched me again, or even spoke to me
Now I know thats not the correct behavior, or something to be proud off, but considering the circunstances it was the best I could do. Since it was a non USCF track event, I could not protest like you usually do.
As for you case, warn other riders about the idiot who kicks people, and if you find yourself in the same situation, just let him take the win, and protest later. If the protest does not work, confront him afterwards and warn him that if it happens one more time, you'll be shoving the bike where the sun don't shine.
Should have confronted him thenpeloton
May 6, 2002 3:12 PM
No excuse for that sort of behavior. You should have confronted him right then and there at the finish line. If not by yourself personally, through usage of the events officials. You had witnesses, and the incident was still fresh. Now getting anything done won't be as effective. Officials are always more likely to sanction someone if the event has just happened rather than waiting a week or two. By not reporting this incident or confronting him in any way you are reinforcing this behavior in that @sshole. He got away with it once, why not do it again to you or someone else? If there is anyone you can talk to now about it, like his team or local officials then do it right away. Don't let that jerk think that his behavior is just part of racing. It isn't. That kind of stuff really bothers me. If I had been in that sprint, and he kicked someone else even I would have been in his face at the line.

Try to do something to let this guy know this isn't cool. Or at least post his name here so we can all recognize him at races. ;)
You are right about the reinforcement issue.allervite
May 7, 2002 9:02 AM
At the time, I was too mad to be rational. I know very well what would have happened if I had approached him just after, and my three year old was standing right there so I just left after looking at my son. But I will call his team.
May 7, 2002 2:55 PM
It is hard to be rational when hot headed. Walking away in a situation when you see yourself getting out of control is the best way to handle things. Hopefully this guy's team will make it certain to him that his behavior is unacceptable. If it is a shop team I would tell the owner/manager just how poorly that incidents like these reflect back on his shop.

I do respect you for not losing your cool. I just hate it when people act like felons just because 'it's a race'.