Mar 27, 2002 12:29 PM
|Can anyone give some info on the Boulder Roubaix RR. As I am not from CO (SLC, UT) so I don't have an ACA license. Can I get a one day liscense as this will probably be my only race in CO. Aslo how rough is the course? Should I ride my 'cross bike or road bike? I am a 2 but I will probably take advantage of my advancing years plus lack of miles and race Masters.|
Mar 27, 2002 12:50 PM
|you can get a day lic...I'd ride your road bike. It is motly gravel roads and nothing too loose. Still if you can run 25s it might be nice for the gravel though plenty do it on 23s or narrower. I think knobbies would be overkill but I'm sure some ride cross bikes. Don't think that the masters will be a slouch. Most are all ex-pros around here and you'll likely get shelled quicker than if you rode 2s.|
Mar 27, 2002 12:59 PM
|Thanks for the license info. I am looking at the mileage and I am not sure if I have 85 miles in my legs at this point. I know all to well that Masters racing is no cake walk I am just hoping there are a few more old guys who are not quite race fit that I can ride with after we get dropped. If you see a 6'7" guy on a blue Cannondale say hi.|
|re: being shelled at the Boulder-Roubaix||TJeanloz|
Mar 27, 2002 1:32 PM
|The nature of the course is such that it inevitably strings out pretty early. It's sort of a MTB race on road bikes (tactics wise anyways). After one lap, there usually isn't a 'group' to speak of.|
|you ridden the new course?||ColnagoFE|
Mar 28, 2002 7:49 AM
|Personally I liked the old course out North of town better. Now it's just laps around the rez.|
|you ridden the new course?||TJeanloz|
Mar 28, 2002 8:29 AM
|Sadly, I had a hand in designing the new course. The old course was much better from a bike racer point of view. The new course is much better from a promotional point of view. It's easier to base things at the Res than it was to do it on the side of N 63rd Street (or whichever street it was). The Res provides an area for sponsors to set up their bullsh!t, and more parking. The locals don't get so mad (we had some real issues on the old course). It's better for spectators too.
But the old course, that was a true tough-man course. The new one is too narrow and packed down. It's made it more about handling skills, and less about toughing it out over the washboard roads.
|I see the logic of it||ColnagoFE|
Mar 28, 2002 8:47 AM
|I just liked the other course for racing. Didn't race last year and watched part of it and was amazed at all the runners that were doing their morning jog around the rez (some with dogs even) while the race was going on. You'd think they'd close it off to racers, but I guess they can't do that. So it becomes a dodge the pedestrian thing as well.|
|the new new course||lonefrontranger|
Mar 28, 2002 8:43 PM
|From what I understand, this year's course is a combo of the old course plus last year's. 17 mile loop that skirts around Haystack Mt. and goes all the way out to Nelson Rd.
I can testify to the tough-man-ness of this year's course. It's fairly hellish. And they've removed that gravel chicane before the finish line - they'll open the gate from the levee into the parking lot and let everyone straight through was the last I heard.
Mar 29, 2002 6:55 AM
|That road was the 'old' course. It would probably be a good compromise to have the start/finish at the Res, and then have the course cruise around Haystack out to Nelson. But the farmers will still be very displeased...|
|I like this year's course||Pack Meat|
Mar 29, 2002 8:17 AM
|It is not going to be easy. It seems to be a good combination of handling and fitness. I am going to get so squashed in the 3's. I like the way there will be a race to the first section of dirt and then gong south on the pavement over the rollers before you make the right to head west will be really really hard because everybody will be fighting for position for the really narrow gravel section. I'm actually not nervous about the race but I am scared.|
|"I am going to get so squashed in the 3's"||lonefrontranger|
Mar 30, 2002 9:02 PM
|Right there with you bro. The closer this thing gets, the more paranoid I become.|
|"I am going to get so squashed in the 3's"||Pack Meat|
Apr 1, 2002 2:33 PM
|Did you know that you met me a couple of weeks ago at the res. I was the RRV rider that stopped and spoke with BipedZed.
Good luck this weekend.
|I was pretty sure that was you||lonefrontranger|
Apr 1, 2002 10:20 PM
|But I wasn't certain of your screen name.
Good luck - you guys looked like you had fun out thrashing that course. 1 lap was plenty sufficient for us. My boyfriend is the smart one - he'll be doing the Roubaix from the comfort of the lead vehicle. I'm sure I'll be begging to get in after the first lap.
That Death Corner (49th to Oxford) scares the crap out of me. I still haven't worked out what to do, other than being first in line, and (this is key) not crashing.
|my bonehead lesson learned--tighten that pedal release||ColnagoFE|
Apr 2, 2002 10:23 AM
|make sure your pedal release is cranked up pretty tight. i popped out of my pedals on one of the washboard sections of the old course. not a good thing to happen in a race. i rode it out but it was scary for a moment. good thing there weren't too many people around me. i'm sure y'all will do fine. like the guy says in the movie "better off dead" you just go really, really fast and if something gets in your way, turn.|
|the road sections are significant enough to use a road bike||Pack Meat|
Mar 27, 2002 3:05 PM
|I rode te course last weekend, some of the corners are kind of hairy. This will be a hard race no matter what cat youre in. There are a few rollers but no serious climbs. I think this race favors bigger more powerful riders.
Good luck in the 35+, those guys are so fast.
|related gearing question||GV|
Mar 29, 2002 8:48 PM
|I have done the roubaix for the last few years and have a blast ( I am a mtb at heart ) I know on the old course you need a road bike but last year on the new course I ran my cross bike with my road wheels and tires made a big difference for me in the handling and I did not chip any teeth on the wash boards. My question is my cross bike has a 48-11 for the lowest gear. Is there a long downhill section like on the old course where I could get spun out.|
Mar 29, 2002 9:23 PM
|I'm riding my 'cross bike with road wheels/tires, but I'm upping the gearing from 46 to 50 big ring. This gearing was sufficient for me all last season in the Women's 4 field, even at Carter Lake which has a 40+ mph stretch of downhill. The caveat is that I ride fixed all winter and can spin 120+ comfortably when necessary.
There is a long downhill stretch on Nelson that goes east. If there is strong west tailwind here, (distinct possibility) you'll get spun out quite badly in the men's field on the gear you currently have.
|here's a web link:||lonefrontranger|
Mar 27, 2002 9:20 PM
It might be a good idea to pre-register, if only to avoid the late fee. Last year some of the fields filled up before race day, though I think that was more a function of nice weather than anything else. The one day license fee is $5 this year.
I'll be there, racing in the 9AM flight. There are 35+, 45+ and 55+ Master's splits, and if you REALLY want to sandbag, you can do Masters Men Cat 4/35+, since you'll be racing on a 1-day (just kidding).
Don't know if I'll see you, since the Masters 35+ goes off later in the day. I ride a black & white Colnago Dream Cross. Good Luck!
|Boulder-Roubaix, Another (gasp) out of state rider||char|
Mar 30, 2002 11:55 AM
Coming from Northern California, contemplating doing this race, it's around my birthday (hint BD present to do this) and the logistics of pulling this off are quite intriguing. I have scoped out the race web site and have a few more questions for the locals. I will be in the Men's 45+ group (as a 5) and yes, still have +30 lbs on the body, got a NCNCA license (reciprocal agreement with licensing bodies), so don't need the 1-day.
Not worried about riding off-road on road bikes, do this all the time. I am not quite sure of the terrain involved so I would ask what would be an appropriate LOW gear? I am running 7-speed freewheels but have all the cogs and would like to be riding and testing them on next weeks's commute rides so there will be no surprises on shifting come race day, it's friction shifting but still need chain/cog compatibilty, this stuff is starting to wear out. Not worried about the high gears, can hit over 45 mph in a 46x12 on the downhills with the commuter bike.
How long does it take to ride from the airport to Boulder?
Last time I was in Boulder, I watched Moreno Argentin win the Boulder circuit race (last stage of the Coor's Classic)
Can you rent a locker at the airport that would fit a bike case? Or, GASP, do I need to rent a car?
Will be coming from California, San Francisco, any deals on airplane tickets?
Ok, I'm counting on you: ColnagoFE, Pack Meat, LoneFrontRanger, TJeanLoz, and all the others (I no I forgot a few), now have to sell it to the BOSS (who doesn't like this no-planning nonsense)
Other ideas will be entertained.
If all of this happens, you will see me on the vintage Orange Eddy Merckx. Good luck everyone!
Mar 30, 2002 12:44 PM
|The course is flat, flat, flat with a few rollers and no significant climbs. You'd be fine with a 23 or 21 low.
I personally think the traffic is really bad for riding a bike from the airport, although people do it. Lots of narrow 2-lane roads with not much shoulder full of speeding maniacs trying to make their flight or their meeting. 120th (the main drag from north of Denver) is a nightmare of construction right now, too.
It's over an hour's car trip from the airport to Boulder, depending on traffic. You might check out rtd-denver.com and see about taking the bus from there to the Table Mesa P-N-R - from there it's an easy bike path jaunt out to Boulder Res. I think it's 6 or 7 bucks for the shuttle, and they have bike racks on all the buses here.
|Thanks, more gears||char|
Mar 30, 2002 2:17 PM
Thanks for the quick response, now get out and ride!
So far I've semi-sold the concept to the GF, she insists that she is going, which is OK by me (I haven't told her about the feed zones.) I wasn't clear enough in my question on gearing. You said a 21 or 23 cog, I am (assuming) this is with a 39 chainring, I will be using a 52/42 chainrings, this would translate to a 24 or 26 which seems like a pretty low gear. Not that I am bragging about how fast I am up these hills (dfl is more like it.) But with 7-speeds you have to make a few compromises on gear ratios, aw heck, migh as well run a single-speed! Got hills right out of my driveway, all 2500' worth, so I think I have that concept down, and it is windy out here going across the Golden Gate Bridge on the commute. I've seen riders literally blown right off their bikes on the Bridge!
Thanks for all the tips.
|hey... I was at work||lonefrontranger|
Mar 30, 2002 8:54 PM
|I just got a new job in contracts management for a technology reseller and this week was the end of their third fiscal quarter. Translation: I was at work today, bored off my @$$ waiting for sales twerps to send orders thru so that I could push all the little buttons that fix and approve them, etc. The enterprise software this place uses for purchasing sucks, my neighbor's two-year-old writes better code in mud on the kitchen floor. Oh, wait, it's an Oracle database - which means you get to fossilize while you're waiting for the system to pop up all the little error messages that say it can't find the data the guy in the next cube over just sent. We were there last night until 10.00; I came in at 9 this morning and there were people literally sleeping on the floor by their desks in the clothes they wore to work two days ago, there are old pizza and chinese take-out boxes stacked 20 deep everywhere and beer bottles on every horizontal surface (picture a frat house with Sun workstations and better lighting); and it's a Saturday, meaning there were several small children and a half dozen dogs running amok in the bullpen.
Not that I'm venting. They let us go at 3.00 after paying me for six hours overtime of doing essentially nothing - so the moral to this story is that I did actually get a ride in today
OK, what you REALLY wanted to know was that a 42/23 will work just fine and you may not even hafta use it. I used a 42/23 low on my old 6 and 7 speed stuff when I was racing in Dayton, OH, and that's as windy a place as you can get in springtime.
|if travelling light||ColnagoFE|
Apr 1, 2002 8:16 AM
|I'd just hop on an RTD bus when you get to the airport with your "boxed" bike--it's a good hours ride and they stop a few times but it's not bad. Definately your cheapest option and more reliable than Super Shuttle in my opinion. They should be able to throw it under the bus like luggage. Many busses do have racks as well so once you build up your bike again you should be able to get around. The bus will take you right to downtown Boulder where you should be able to secure lodging of some sort. The course is not all that far out of town and it would not be that bad to ride to the course from Boulder. Would be a good warmup. So in short you could do without a car.|| |