|Being Labled As...."HUSKEY"||BigLeadOutGuy|
Mar 20, 2002 5:51 PM
It was nice to hear from everyone and Im glad everyone is getting into the swing of the season. =)
I'm having a rough time to start the season...although only 2 races deep I have plenty of time to get into form....So I am not sweating it yet....I'm pretty happy with the way things are going except with my climbing...This past weekend during a climb I heard a few guys complaining how much climbing kills them and how lame it is...and i was just thinking to myself if they could only feel what its like to be stuck in a 6`4`` 240 pound body trying to keep up with them....Wanna talk about misery? Thats about as bad as it gets! Hahahaha
needless to say the fatguy...I mean "HUSKEY" rider (me) gets dropped and spends the next 200000000 miles playing catch up.....Ugh, what a way to spend a race =)
I figure once the days get longer and warmer and I dont have to turn home cause i cant feel my toes or fingers ill drop a few more pounds and start to climb like the mountain goat thats trapped deep inside! hehe
either that or im gunna put myself into a full upperbody cast and get some nice muscle atrophy...that oughta be good for the 15 pounds I need to lose =)
well everyone...good luck with training and racing
Ill be back soon!
|You think you have it bad...||Ron B|
Mar 20, 2002 8:20 PM
|try 260 pounds in a 6 foot frame. At 215 pounds I'm a rail which is my goal by the end of the summer.
Good luck with your season.
Mar 21, 2002 5:54 AM
|As someone who is going to try his first Cat 5 race in late April. And also being on the larger size 6' 220.
Do you find that being on the larger size is a huge disadvantage in racing ?
How do you overcome racing against little speed demons ?
Do you feel that there is any discrimination from other riders ?
How many of us "Huskey" types are out there - and racing ?
what kind of results ?
I know lots of questions - sorry !
|Some answers...||Ron B|
Mar 21, 2002 9:25 PM
|I can answer some of your questions from my view point but take it with a grain of salt since I haven't done any road races but a lot of mountain bike races and lots of tours.
First off the larger size is only a disadvantage when the race has lots of climbing or lots of semi short steep climbs.
I find that I can easily hold my own on low grade climbs, the steeper it gets the slower I get compared to smaller riders.
Many people will say to get to the front of the pack at the beginning of a climb and then let everybody pass you and by the time you get to the top you will be at the back of the pack but still with it.
I prefer to find somebody that is a little faster than my self on a climb and use them to pace my self. I just keep my wheel planted to theirs as long as I can endure the pain which generally gets me to the top with the pack or close to the pack and I can easily catch them on the downhill, gravity does have it's advantages on the down side of the hill.
I would also recomend if you are in a hilly race conserve your energy by drafting then use the extra energy on the climbs.
The advantage of larger size is the high power output we generally have. I know on the flats I can hammer a lot of people off my wheel if I want to and on shallow grades I can accelerate away from a lot of other riders by using power and either standing or just grinding a big gear.
Don't be afraid to sit back and draft and don't let others in the pack make you stay in front because you have the power to lead the pack. Many smaller guys will try to sit on your wheel because of the large wake you create, don't let them unless you are in organized pace lines. At my size and width (6 feet tall, 260 pounds and wide as a house) I wouldn't be surprized if my wake is close to that of a tandem.
As far as results, when I was in really good shape I was a top 5 sport class mountain bike racer and could hold my own in any of the fast paced tours/mini training races that I rode in.
|being a big rider||lonefrontranger|
Mar 21, 2002 7:21 AM
|6'4" and 240 isn't actually that bad. One of the strongest riders from the DCC "back in tha day" when I rode with them was 6'1" and 220. None of it was fat, and this guy was a motor. He didn't do well on the long climbs, but in crits and flat to rolling road races he could crush. Often he would simply ride guys off his wheel. And yes, he happened to be the "BigLeadOutGuy" for the team's 2 sprinters. Often his leadout was so good, he'd come in second or third, and I remember several occasions that he won when they got out of position, couldn't hang, or just couldn't come around :-)
If you train and race all season and practice proper management of reload / recovery (eat enough during & after your ride so you aren't starving later on), your weight will gradually come down. You don't want to lose a lot fast, because weight you lose this way is typically muscle. When the pounds return, they usually return as fat, so over time this kills your strength-to-weight ratio.
Oh, yeah - if you're doing a proper ramp-up and build for a target goal later in the season, then yes, the early season races WILL be misery, sorry dude - nothing you can do about that. If you don't believe it, just read some of the pro diaries on bike.com. Even those guys suffer until they start peaking. I bet the guys who are crushing you now are going to be nowhere in June.
I am no flyweight myself. At 5'4" and 150 lbs, I don't climb all that well. But I can hang, and when the sprint kicks in, I'm pretty quick. You have to learn your strengths and take advantage of them, as well as training your weaknesses.
Check out the trackies if you have a velodrome in your region. Now THERE are some big guys.
Also, two words: Kirk Albers, a pro who now rides for Jelly Belly. Now he is definitely a big guy. I know him pretty well personally, as he used to come to all the races we promoted in Cincy, and he did us a lot of favors when we set up a juniors team. He's 6'3". Yes, he's a pro, and suitably lean; perhaps 180-190. But he can also kick some serious ass, even going uphill. He finished 4th at '98 USAC Nats, after a vicious crash on a descent that turned him into hamburger. That was an extremely hilly race, and it was also 102 degrees with nearly 100% humidity; heat index off the scale. A truly brutal race. I did awards that year, so I was right down in the finish area. I watched Kirk sit on the curb after the race, not feeling so good from the heat and all his injuries. All the cycling cognoscenti, 'folks in the know' were simply in awe of him that day. I watched as rider after rider, and quite a few coaches & team managers from other teams came up to congratulate him for that incredible ride. The winner was mostly ignored, except for the press, who didn't really catch on to the true "race within the race". The breakaway Kirk was in when he crashed actually waited up for him, because they knew he was the one driving it. I guess the moral of that story is (beyond the fact that Kirk Albers has bigger cajones than most mortals), big guys with lots of power are well respected by their peers.
|Well how about being called ...||SingleThreaded|
Mar 21, 2002 8:03 AM
|Last fall car passes me fairly slowly after I powered up a hill, probably at speed limit, and I figure they're checking me out. They get a bit in front of me and some kid leans out the window and shouts something sounding like "You're a bad ass!" and I'm thinking to myself, "yea your right". Well apparently I didn't provide the expected response back to him, so he repeats it a little clearer this time "You got a fat ass!". Then I think to myself again "yea from the back your probably right".|
|LoneFront Rules...Dont worry Pat its got lots of advantages||BigLeadOutGuy|
Mar 21, 2002 4:31 PM
You always have nice words of encouragement =)
Im losing the pounds slowly and hopefully if all goes well I'll get to about 225-230 at my peak. Then I all will be well =) till than Ill just live the torture and love it =)
Dont worry pat, being a larger rider has soooo many more advantages than disadvantages...granted climbing is tough but muscling your way through a pack is lots easier...size intimidates, not to mention on rolling or flat courses us bigger guys definatley control the pace of the race....and when it comes to sprint finishes nothing beats a big guy spinning a big gear =)
cant wait for this weekend for my next race =)
Ill keep everyone informed!!!
stay stoked =)
Mar 22, 2002 4:14 AM
|Thanks all for the responses, I guess some of it is pre-race gitters - Did I train enough ? That kind of stuff. Its also good to know that there are other people out there that don't fit the "typical" racing build.
Some of this also comes from the fact that the race I entered is a circut with one short steep climb, which is a concern. I found a hill that is slightly longer but about the same in terms of grade, so I am going to use that to help in training. Of course if I could loose 10-15 lbs before it would be better ! But I have a month so I will do the best I can see where I am at then.
BLG you race in NY right ? are you doing any races in Mass ?
Ron when is your first race ? How is your training going ?
LFR as always a wealth of info and encouragement !
I actually have you and this board to thank/curse ? for getting me to take the plunge !
|One kick ass big guy::||BDBike|
Mar 22, 2002 11:51 AM
Born: June 29, 1973 in Queens, N.Y.
Hometown: Charlotte, N.C.
Residence: Greenville, S.C.
Team: United States Postal Service
Height: 6' 3" Weight: 185 lbs.
I know he not the heaviest person but at 6'3" he gives me hope I am trying to get down to 210 pounds currently at 225.
|I dunno if Id say "big"||BigLeadOutGuy|
Mar 22, 2002 2:47 PM
|George is tall...but I dunno about big...he soooo skinny!
but im definatley shooting for slenderness....I think if I get down to about 225 i should be ok =)
I went to HS with him and im a huge postal fan....not cause of lance but cause of george!!! I hope he wins every classic he races in!
Hey pat...I am in NY...I was thinking of doing some races out of state but I dunno which ones to do...whats good in mass? Something in early summer...I dont wanna travel too far to be off peak and do crappy! hehe
|I dunno if Id say "big"||PatM|
Mar 22, 2002 5:16 PM
|Well being a "old" rookie not so sure about any race, I have been trying to figure out some that work into my schedule. I know I am doing the Adelphia Grand Prix in Plymouth MA. I heard that Monson and Palmer are popular but I am not going to try them. After that there is weekly crit training, but as for races I will have to see. How about you ? You said you are already racing where and what cat ?
Here are a couple of links that I found; if you don't already know about them
Mar 23, 2002 10:22 AM
|Yeah racing started here 3 weeks ago...its been killer cold though...I was from cali and just moved to NY so Im not used to the cold weather so much...they are racing all cats 1-5...the first 4 races are in manhattan than there are a couple of races in brooklyn and staten island i think, than back to manhattan....the series lasts for 8 or 10 weeks I think...than there is a weekday crit series and some weekend races here and there. It should be a pretty busy season. Ill goto the uscf webpage and check out some races in Mass....maybe when i finally get in shape ill head out =)