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optimal pull for two up breakaway?(5 posts)

optimal pull for two up breakaway?feathers mcgraw
Feb 21, 2002 7:25 PM
Couple of questions. What's the optimal length pull if you get in a two up breakaway? How many riders do you need to make a rotating paceline faster than alternating pulls? Assuming no wind and relatively flat terrain for both. Thanks.
the ultimate breakawaygutterball
Feb 22, 2002 10:55 AM
Sometimes breakaways work and sometimes your spent. I think a group of around 5 is optimal for speed and efficiency, any more and you get alot of speed variations and slackers who sit. If it's a 2 man breakaway you have to be equally paired and manage to get off the front without anybody knowing your a threat. Rotations depend on how fast and how much further 'til the finish, generally 1-2 minutes. Shorten the rotations if your haul'n. 2-man breaks rarely pay off though. The most important decision with any breakaway is judging its sustainability whatever the number is.
Feb 26, 2002 10:14 AM
No matter how many are in the group, the shorter the pulls, the more speed you can sustain. However, a constant rotation takes more coordination and a stronger rider can pull longer and faster than a weaker one which makes a constant rotation difficult.
I've been in several 2-man breaks...brider
Feb 27, 2002 7:09 AM
and some of them have even succeeded. The secret? Just like a marriage -- communication. Sometimes it works with unsaid communication -- I was in a crit and one other rider broke away with me. I led the uphill section, then the other guy led on the downhill section (I was the better climber, a little lighter, he was the better descender, a ;itt;e heavier), and we swapped on the short flat sections between. A couple others took a lot of talking -- one on a hilly road race, where we just rode away from the group and just made a pact to work together and let the finish sort itself out. We were pretty equal on climbing ability, and flat speed. Communicating your objective and agreeing on it early will go a long way to keeping the heat down when you start taking shorter pulls. The other person should realize that they're faster with you than without, so if you take a shorter pull, then you're either (a) tired and not as much of a threat at the finish, or (b) sandbagging and going to kick their butt at the finish. If communication has been honest, then (b) is out. As for your second question, any number greater than 2 is going to be faster than 2 due to the longer recovery between pulls, given riders of equal ability.
2 up.allervite
Feb 27, 2002 10:40 AM
Kind of off the subject, but I read in a book by Burke that if you are off the front and marked by another rider (won't work with you) the two of you are still faster than you would be on your own because of better aerodynamics.

Just a little trivia.