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Racing for the first time again!(13 posts)

Racing for the first time again!853
Feb 5, 2002 12:02 PM
Well I got my bike last Jan. w/ no fitness started to ride
to get back in shape and try racing only problem is that I started at 274lbs. I did my first race in Feb.,
a Crit; it was a joke. I got dropped after 4 laps out of 7 total. I decided not to race and just gain fitness and save the racing for this year. Anyway I Cheated and borrowed my friend MTB and did a begin.Clyesdale race and finished 5th in Oct.. Now this year I did a TT to see how I faired w/ everybody elses times - I won the Public class and my time would have been good for a 12th out of over 50 cat. 4/5's times. Now this race is coming up again and I want revenge I at least want to finish w/ the pack is my TT results a good indication that I will at least finish w/ the pack?
And do you guys have any advise to help me get rid of Mass?I am still 250lbs.(I used to bodybuild) I am only 5'10" If I could get to 190 I would be happy!!

Thanks in advance for your reply's!
re: Racing for the first time again!brider
Feb 5, 2002 12:44 PM
Well, the good news is that time and patience will get the weight down, so long as you eat and train like a bike racer and not a bodybuilder. The bad news is that, while the TT is a good measure of strength, you really don't have any idea how you're going to do in the crit. The TT requires good aerobic capacity, while the crit requires good aerobic capacity, good pack riding skills, placement in the pack, and the ability to change speeds rapidly and recover quickly. Another piece of good news is that the strength you've built with the weights can be put to good use in sprints.
re: Racing for the first time again!853
Feb 5, 2002 1:39 PM
Thanks,
Ya my best bodybuilding weight was at 220lbs w/ 5%bodyfat,
So most of my weight is definetly not all muscle.Like you said my sprinting is realy my strongest asset. I train w/ a mix of riders 2-5's and most of them can't come close to me in a sprint(53x12@167rpm)but when it comes time to climb I'll be the last one up(most of them are climbers, I don't think theres anybody over 160), So I definetly have to work on power to weight ratio(keep the power-lose the weight)
I'm restricting myself to chicken salads and water(of course no dressing!);)
dude.... that is a fast sprint..... 55.8 mphmixinbeatz
Feb 5, 2002 2:36 PM
According to my calculations(which may be way off the mark)... a 53 x 12 is a 119.3 inch gear.... at 165 rpms that is 93 kph or 55.8 mph.... Someone needs to get you on a plane to europe... You could take cippolini or zabel with those kind of legs.
I can't see anyone sprinting at that speed.nigel
Feb 5, 2002 8:56 PM
Excepting a downhill sprint, of course, I don't think that even the top pros hit 56 mph on flats. In fact, I can't see quite how that's possible. I realize that our friend is/was a weightlifter/bodybuilder, but that's AWFULLY quick. 2.75 crank revolutions per second in a 53X12 doesn't sound quite right.

Call me a Doubting Thomas (or Nigel). No offense meant if this in indeed the case, however. (Hey, you'd be sprinting at about twenty miles an hour faster than I sprint, so big ups to you!)

Nige
You should get on the track..brider
Feb 5, 2002 3:12 PM
if you can spin out that kind of gear with that cadence. If that was any where NEAR accurate on the cadence, you're a miracle man waiting to happen. Give track racing a try. Please. And don't worry too much about the diet, just don't go crazy on the ultra-high protein.
re: Racing for the first time again!weiwentg
Feb 5, 2002 5:47 PM
Chicken salad and water? Don't be crazy!!!!! Eat!!! Eat more!!!
re: Racing for the first time again!853
Feb 5, 2002 9:32 PM
I'm not here to make false claims, I'm here to learn.
Let me tell you guys what I know, First - we do our practice sprints on a false flat, we are going into are sprint in the low 30's, Second - I've been able to record a high of 47mph, Third - I only glance at my computer to check cadence at that speed, and that is what I saw.I wish
my computer would record highest cadence.
Now back to the topic, My plans are to just be able to hang w/ the pack and finish the race this Sunday.
I realy have to work on my endurance and weight problem.I've gone thru three back wheels in less than a year, My mechanic says that cycling equip. is not meant for people of my weight!
Tactics, my man, tactics...brider
Feb 6, 2002 7:05 AM
Pack position is going to be key to making it to the finish with the pack. If you get to the back of the pack, the accordian effect is going to waste you quickly. It's a VERY strong rider who can stay with the constant yo-yo that's happening there. So, in order to conserve energy, get towards the front, but not AT the front. Always be fighting to keep position near the front (if you're not passing, you'll soon find yourself at the dreaded back of the pack). Let the early moves go. Don't try to make any breaks. Just stay in a draft and near the front. With a or two to go, things will start getting a little crazy, everybody fighting for front position. Your mass will be a BIG benefit here, as no one will be able to bump you out of position. When things start winding up, make sure you're on a good wheel (draft), and positioned to the inside of the last corner. When the riders swing wide coming out of the corner, unleash that blazing speed of yours and come off that wheel and get ready to cross the line first. Let us know how things go.
Perfect advice! -NMTig
Feb 10, 2002 3:17 PM
re: Racing for the first time again!mixinbeatz
Feb 6, 2002 8:39 AM
I am here to learn as well... not flame people. I just don't want people to think that they have to be able to spin out a 53 x 12 to get started in racing. If people think that you need a 45+ mph sprint to place at a citizen races, one could be discouraged, to say the least. This is a great discussion forum, because we stay on task and keep flaming to a minimum. Go look at rec.bicyles.racing sometime, to me this is a much more productive forum. Thanks everyone.
What are you riding?Softrider
Feb 8, 2002 10:37 AM
Your mechanic is right to a point, most of the stuff (especially wheels) sold today are not made for those of us who exceed 200lbs. What kind of wheels are you on?

I have been riding Open Pro 32's for quite a while and have not had any problems. I would say buy a good set of 32 or 36 spoke wheels and you won't have to worry about them.
re: Racing for the first time again!bigrb
Feb 13, 2002 2:14 PM
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