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Teammate Counter-Attack Etiquette (kinda long)Pack Meat
Aug 23, 2001 3:14 PM
This is a team tactics question that I'm hoping a pro or cat1,2 will answer for me. No offense against 3s or 4s but I need to find out what the real etiquette is. Here's the deal, we had a circuit race that was about 2.5 miles long per lap. About 2 laps into the 50 minute race my team mate went off the front with another guy, both are very strong time trialers. The rest of the team in the pack blocked as best as possible. The break maintained a gap of 20 seconds until about 3 laps to go when it suddenly went down to 10 seconds. As we rounded a corner we could see that the break pair were sitting up, looking back and no longer working. Another rider on my team counter attacked as looked as the break riders were finished. This happened as we were going through the finishing straight so a lot of spectators saw the attack. When the break guy returned to the pack he said he was roasted and didn't say anything about the counter attack.

Bottom line is that some spectators reported to our team manager that one of our teammates chased down his own guy, this is the team managers major pet peeve. My question is was it wrong to counter attack before the break was reabsorbed by the field?

Any thoughts?

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Here's a question for you...Lazy
Aug 23, 2001 3:35 PM
How come your team manager didn't know the guy off the front was cooked? If he's relying on spectators as his sole source of information, you guys are in trouble. If he did know and I mis-interpreted then I apologize.

IMO, it was a good idea for your teammate to attack when he did. I would bet that several others in the pack had planned to attack as soon as the break was absorbed. I'm sure the attack took the entire pack completely by surprise. Seems to me that if your teammate that was originally off the front was not upset, then it was OK.

Oh yeah, did the counter attack stick? If it did then it was definitely a good move.

You can pay me the $.02 later. :-)
He wasn't there...Pack Meat
Aug 24, 2001 9:40 AM
The counter didn't stick but we did place three riders in the top 10 including 1st and 3rd.
re: Teammate Counter-Attack Etiquette (kinda long)Flava
Aug 24, 2001 5:18 AM
He did exactly the right thing in counter-attacking. This is a pretty common tactic that is used successfully by a number of teams to break down the other teams' legs. As your team always has a man in the break the rest of your teammates can sit in on the chase and not work OR simply block.
re: Teammate Counter-Attack Etiquette (kinda long)pmannion
Aug 27, 2001 11:33 AM
Sorry, I'm not currently a 2, but having BEEN in a break, there have been times when I sat-up for a while, but didn't consider the break to be over by any means. I don't think you have to be a 1 or 2 to know team ettiquette. Even a man in a break needs to recover sometimes. Go ahead and counter-attack when it is clear the effort is doomed and about to be reeled in, but don't make assumptions based on what you think I may be thinking.

Actually, if you were capable of simply bridging up to the doomed break, this would be cool, but if all you did was tow the front of the field, then I'd be pissed.
re: Teammate Counter-Attack Etiquette (kinda long)cyclequip
Sep 6, 2001 3:40 AM
If any of you watched the Domo team during this year's Paris-Roubaix you could have seen a graphic illustration of proper team tactics. If your DS is pissed, let him go take a course in how to plan a race - it should have been a planned move, if anything. Also, riders in a break don't get to decide when the break is over - that's left up to the peloton collectively - and if a break ever gets caught, its their fault, not the chasers. Expect nothing, trust no-one, so said the Cannibal. He once rode 120km on attack -with Eric de Vlaemink on his wheel the WHOLE WAY - never once asked for help, never bitched when he got passed on the line. He also once, solo, chased down the lantern rouge - away on a (meaningless) long solo attack in the final stage of a Tour de France - and was pissed when he couldn't pass him on the line. So you decide!