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The ListLive Steam
Jan 29, 2004 11:52 AM
The following is a partial list and description of individuals and organizations that MEMRI (The Middle East Media Research Institute) has been able to identify for receiving illegal payoffs in oil vouchers:

Canada: Arthur Millholland, president and CEO of the Calgary-based Oilexco company, received 1 million barrels of oil.

United States: Samir Vincent received 10.5 million barrels. In 2000, Vincent, an Iraqi-born American citizen who has lived in the U.S. since 1958, organized a delegation of Iraqi religious leaders to visit the U.S. and meet with former president Jimmy Carter. Shaker Al-Khafaji, the pro-Saddam chairman of the 17th conference of Iraqi expatriates, received 1 million barrels.

Great Britain: George Galloway received 1 million barrels. Fawwaz Zreiqat received 1 million barrels. Zreiqat also appears in the Jordanian section as having received 6 million barrels. The Mujahideen Khalq(3) in Britain received 1 million barrels.

France: The French-Arab Friendship Association received 15.1 million barrels. Former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua received 12 million barrels.(4) Patrick Maugein of the Trafigura company received 25 million barrels. Michel Grimard, founder of the French-Iraqi Export Club, received 17.1 million barrels.

Switzerland: Glenco Re, the largest commodity trader in Switzerland, received 12 million barrels. Taurus, which has been associated with Iraq for 20 years and was the first company to renew its business with Iraq after the fall of Saddam, received 1 million barrels. Petrogas, which is listed under three sub-companies - Petrogas Services, Petrogas Distribution, and Petrogas Resources - and is associated with the Russian company Rosneftegazetroy, received 1 million barrels. Alcon, listed in Lichtenstein and associated with larger oil companies, received 1 million barrels. Finar Holdings, which is listed in Lugano, Switzerland, and is under liquidation, received 1 million barrels.

Palestinians: The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) received 4 million barrels. The PLO Political Bureau received 5 million barrels. Abu Al-Abbas received 11.5 million barrels. Abdallah Al-Horani received 8 million barrels. The PFLP received 5 million barrels. Wafa Tawfiq Al-Sayegh received 4 million barrels.

Syria: Farras Mustafa Tlass, the son of Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlass, received 6 million barrels. 'Audh Amourah received 18 million barrels. Ghassan Zakariya received 6 million barrels. Anwar Al-Aqqad received 2 million barrels. Hamida Na'Na', the owner of the Al-Wafaq Al-Arabi periodical, received 1 million barrels.

Ukraine: The Social Democratic Party received 1 million barrels. The Communist Party received 6 million barrels. The Socialist Party received 1 million barrels. The FTD oil company received 1 million barrels, as did other Ukrainian companies.

Belarus: The Liberal Party received 1 million barrels. The Communist Party received 1 ton [sic] of oil. The director of the Belarussian president's office received 1 million barrels.

Russia: The Russian state itself received 1,366,000,000 barrels. The list also included the following:

Companies belonging to the Liberal Democratic Party received 79.8 million barrels - the list notes the name of party president Vladimir Zhirinovsky. The Russian Communist Party received 1 million barrels. The Lukoil company received 63 million barrels. The Russneft company received 35.5 million barrels. Vladimir Putin's Peace and Unity Party received 34 million barrels - the list notes the name of party chairwoman Saji Umalatova. The Gazprom company received 26 million barrels. The Soyuzneftgaz company received 25.5 million barrels - the list notes the name Shafrannik. The Moscow Oil Company received 25.1 million barrels. The Onako company received 22.2 million barrels. The Sidanco company received 21.2 million barrels. The Russian Association for Solidarity
Another glimpse into Live Steam's Inbox. (nm)czardonic
Jan 29, 2004 11:56 AM
Here wiseguy - it was a simple Google searchLive Steam
Jan 29, 2004 12:00 PM
Then how about a glimpse into your mind?czardonic
Jan 29, 2004 12:11 PM
What inspired you to key "oil for food program" into Google this fine day?
Well it has been on my mind ofr the past ...Live Steam
Jan 29, 2004 12:22 PM
year, but it's an emerging story today. This information should not only call into question why a few members of the UN Security Council vetoed the war, but what was the reason Saddam paid these people and delegates off for?

Did they kick back a percentage of the proceeds? Did he use that money to purchase weapons? Did they provide other favors to him, such as intelligence, in return for this? Aren't you interested in knowing why so many participated in such a clandestine plot with the likes of Saddam Hussayn?
No, because I know why: Money.czardonic
Jan 29, 2004 12:27 PM
The same reason the United States provides favors to Saudi Arabia.

That is just the way it goes with these things. Surely you don't doubt that the United States Government's "Taxes for Services" program is less than squeaky clean. I bet Bush's own "Donations for Policy Consideration" program isn't everything its cracked up to be either.
Money? OK what was Saddam getting in return? And if ...Live Steam
Jan 29, 2004 12:41 PM
he was also getting money kicked back to him, what was he going to use the money for? One needs money to build a military machine, to purchase WMD to buy technology to build rockets that can carry WMD. He sure as heck wasn't saving money for a rainy day. He had palaces and pretty much everything else a dictator could ever want. So "money" is too simplistic an answer. Everything on this level revolves around money. But what was the money for? Why was he giving so much of it away? What did he get in return?
Any number of things.czardonic
Jan 29, 2004 12:52 PM
It takes a lot of money to control a country of millions against its will.

I think the conclusion that he must have been using that money for WMDs is not only simplistic, but belied by both logic and the facts.

Not to freak you out of anything, but there are a lot of people in this country that seem intent on accumulating more money then they could ever spend. What does Bill Gates want all that money for?
So are you alleging that Bill Gates is a megalomaniac? nmLive Steam
Jan 29, 2004 1:02 PM
I'll allege that the Pope is Catholic!53T
Jan 29, 2004 1:46 PM
Saddam was in fact saving a lot of money for a rainy day. There were millions in US cash found in his palaces, there were millions withdrawn from his bank accounts by he and his sons just before they fled Bahgdad. There are millions more waiting to be found.

I think the list you provided is incomplete, with its scarcity of German concerns.
You've convinced me he must be. Regime change in Redmond! nmczardonic
Jan 29, 2004 1:50 PM
Maybe he's planning a takeover. He has control of most...94Nole
Jan 29, 2004 1:59 PM
of the world's computers. After all there must be SOME reason for his wealth accumulation other than his genius in designing operating systems.

So you really think Bill Gates started MSFT to accumulate a bunch of wealth?

I don't. People like BIll Gates don't think about the money. Not to say that they may not think about it somewhere down the road but Bill saw all of this 25 years ago in his mind.
Right on.No_sprint
Jan 29, 2004 2:46 PM
At this point, he likely receives his fair share of what's going on. Should he be forced to take only 1/4 of what one might consider a fair share?

I don't think anyone should be forced to give away a product for 1/2 price or 1/4 price just because you made *x* dollars from it.

Regardless, he and the company have an obligation to meet for the good of the stockholders (owners). That is their paramount directive right now.
You are wrong about thinking about money.dr hoo
Jan 29, 2004 3:01 PM
Bill gates made an impassioned case for software copy restrictions way back in the "homebrew computer club" days in the 70's. (The HCC is interesting in many ways if you don't know anything about it). His point was that unless copy restrictions were put in place, NO ONE COULD MAKE MONEY OFF OF SOFTWARE. So back when all these guys (who went on to found the PC industry, btw) were thinking "this is cool stuff!" and sharing their ideas and programs, Gates was thinking about "How can I make money off this?"

I am not saying it was THE driving force for him, but it was clearly A driving force for him from the earliest days.
I wouldn't go that far. He wrote that "Open letter to ...Live Steam
Jan 29, 2004 7:24 PM
computer hobbyists" for a reason. That reason was money. He saw there was potential in what they were doing and figured there had to be proprietary value in it. I agree that many people who achieve great wealth and success in general, are not necessarily focused on the money. The goal of the achievement or dream, is the focus. The money follows. In Gates case, he knew his ideas were worth something. I am not sure he knew it would make him the richest man in the World.
BTW, your no-doubt scintillating commentary. . .czardonic
Jan 29, 2004 12:13 PM
. . .on this issue didn't make the cut.
Never mind. (nm)czardonic
Jan 29, 2004 12:28 PM
don't forgot about memohair_chair
Jan 29, 2004 2:58 PM
I also received 1 million barrels, and let me tell you, the UPS driver was none too happy when he dropped them off! Plus, my garage is full, and so is my backyard, my basement and my bedroom. And what the hell am I going to do with 1 million barrels of oil? It's not like I own a refinery. I mean, I've been using one barrel to lube my chains, but at the rate I'm using it, It'll be 25 years before I open the next one. 1 million barrels is no picnic.
lol (nm)czardonic
Jan 29, 2004 3:29 PM
I could use a couple for my truckLive Steam
Jan 29, 2004 7:30 PM
These people never took delivery of the oil. They are vouchers. Upon delivery of the oil to the buyer, the holder of the voucher was paid the current rate of value. I suspect the oil was delivered via pipeline to Syria. The money was then transferred electronically to an account of the holder of the voucher - more than likely to a bank in Switzerland.

Switzerland likes to come off as a neutral country, but they are a conduit for illegal arms trading and other such nefarious dealings. They do not want to monitor what goes on because it would disturb their cozy lifestyles which are funded in many was by illegal dealings that hurt many people in this World.