|My NH Primary Vote for Sale!||eyebob|
Jan 24, 2004 9:28 AM
|Yes, it's that time again and I'm putting my NH Primary vote up for sale. And no, I have not listed it in the Classified's Section yet! You put up the bucks and I'll vote for your guy (write-ins included). Actually, I'd prefer that the bids come in the form of mountain bike parts. You see, I just had a sweet hard tail frame paited and I need to build it up for this race season.
Starting bid: $0 (0 parts)
Note, this is not a dutch auction. Even I can't vote more than once in this thing!
So whaddyasay? What's my First in the Nation, most important of all the Primaries vote worth to those of you who cannot partake???
Jan 24, 2004 1:29 PM
|Or some shoddy used mtn bike cable?|
|Carol Moseley Braun sold her's for $20k per month! nm||Live Steam|
Jan 24, 2004 2:08 PM
I think this is rather tawdry. But that's just my opinion :O)
|Link to story enclosed above nm||Live Steam|
Jan 24, 2004 2:45 PM
|As your link shows, it's a "nothing" story.........nm||MR_GRUMPY|
Jan 24, 2004 5:42 PM
|I don't usually respond to your sophistic posts, but ...||Live Steam|
Jan 24, 2004 8:41 PM
|What is 'nothing' about someone being paid for their vote? She was obviously a candidate for the same office but is now willing to throw in the towel and support the opposition for $20k per month? I wonder how all the volunteer Deaniacs feel about it? I guess it's legal, but it's also unseemly.|
|Unseemly............wouldn't you call it unseemly to throw away||MR_GRUMPY|
Jan 24, 2004 9:10 PM
|500 lives and billions of dollare to protect us from imaginary WMDs? Was it just to get votes? Or was it a cry to make his daddy think he was a "real" man and make him love him.
Ps. Thanks for the compliment on sophistic posts. Most people don't have the slightest idea what that means.
|Why mix apples and grenades?||Live Steam|
Jan 25, 2004 8:32 PM
|Now you know why Republicans can't stand the double standard you guys live buy - and that's on many levels.
Oh by the way you better get a dictionary. Sophistic is not a complement - well at least not to honest, intelligent people.
|Speaking of dishonest, what would you call the Iraq war?||MR_GRUMPY|
Jan 26, 2004 6:00 AM
|Or should I call it "King george's war of reelection."|
|I thought this was about someone selling their vote||No_sprint|
Jan 26, 2004 9:30 AM
|for $20,000 per month.|
|It's called issue avoidance! Not a really big deal ...||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 9:39 AM
|because the voters will let the Dumocratic party know what they think about all this, in November!|
|Indeed. Now, OT how many bandwagoneers do you think||No_sprint|
Jan 26, 2004 9:48 AM
|we'll see show up here once they've found a candidate?
How many are on record as supporting ANY of them so far? ONLY ONE! Old's man is Dean.
OT question for ya Steam.
|I believe even though he hasn't stated it officially ...||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 10:29 AM
|I think Ed supports Clark.
I don't know how many 'bandwagoneers' there will be. It does seem there isn't a whole lot of firm support here for any particular D candidate. I would guess they will band together as soon as a clear winner surfaces. My guess it will be Kerry with Edwards as a VP running mate. I don't believe General Clark would accept a second rate position from a Lieutenant! LOL!!
|Is that 20k PLUS expenses, or is it 20k, she pays all costs?||dr hoo|
Jan 25, 2004 5:47 AM
|And does it matter? It's expensive to go around the country and speak/fundraise. She has alternatives for money making endeavors I am sure. It is probably a very good deal for both sides.
She is getting paid to do a job, one that few people can do. You can't do it, neither can I. She will be making multiple appearances every day for months. She will NOT have a job afterwards. She has huge debts to pay off.
Do you have trouble with someone getting paid for their valuable services, as all good capitalists think is right? What's unseemly about honest labor for money? Or should she do it out of the kindness of her heart, like some xian socialist?
|It comes off as if her vote and or endorsement was for sale||Live Steam|
Jan 25, 2004 8:27 PM
|It also looks like she was paid to drop out of the race. None of those scenarios look very good. I guess it happens all the time, but his is the first time I have ever heard about it.
I know her presence in the race didn't make a hill of beans for any of the others running, but would it be looked at in a similar light if Dean paid Clark or one of the other relevant candidates money to drop out? Also, all the details were not provided. It may or may not be as cleancut as it appears. I'll bet the $20k is net and that Dean's campaign picks up her tab at all the stops.
|o i c, you are just making things up.||dr hoo|
Jan 26, 2004 4:10 AM
|No one paid her to drop out, everyone knew she was going to do it.
No one pays for endorsements. Did Dean pay ANYONE to endorse him? Did he cut a check to Gore?
She is getting paid to go on on the trail. She is getting paid for her LABOR. She is getting paid to WORK. It is a more than full time job at this stage of things.
I would not doubt that she could make more in private business. If she took a job at, say Time-Warner would you say that THEY paid her to drop out of the race? I bet a nationally known ex-senator could command more money than a 240k/yr rate.
|Unseemly is what will happen tonight in Nashua.||eyebob|
Jan 26, 2004 5:31 AM
|McCain is coming to stump for Bush. He should have run again instead of this. It seems that they're too far apart to make it believable that McCain truly supports him. Could have been a closed-door deal that was done or perhaps all the rhetoric last go-around and since was just McCain's way of saying that he thought Bush is really a good choice.
|What did I "make up"?||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 9:30 AM
|You claim she is getting paid to do a job. Does this mean her services went to the highest bidder? What does her endorsement mean as a result? Hey maybe she should have held out for more. Maybe Kerry would have paid her $25k. Maybe Edwards would have even gone hire. Paying her tab (hotel, travel and food expenses) I would imagine, is customary, but paying a salary is something else. Oh I am sure she could get more in the private sector. Maybe that's what she should have done instead of project some impression of an inappropriate association.|
|You made up the "paid for her vote/endorsement" part.||dr hoo|
Jan 26, 2004 10:31 AM
|Which is pretty much the point of your whole rant. You have no proof, only innuendo, which you then go on to tout as proof. That is the White House way, so at least you are doing nicely on the imitation front.
If you can show payment BEFORE the endorsement, you might have a case. If you can show promises to MAKE payment before the endorsement, you might have a case. If you can show payment to ANY OTHER PEOPLE who endorsed Dean that are not hired to travel and stump, you might have a case.
If you can show that CMB does NOT in fact go out and labor for the Dean cause, you will have a case.
I suggest you track down all of CMB's appearances over the next few months. I bet you can find them on the Dean website, so you better check it every day. Keep a list, with reference links, then post a follow up in a month.
"Does this mean her services went to the highest bidder? "
I doubt it, because after the endorsement of Dean she would not have value to another candidate. And as far as "highest bidder", since you are "sure she could get more in the private sector", she obviously did NOT go to the highest bidder.
|A bit of the old 'guilt by insinuation.' Goes back||OldEdScott|
Jan 26, 2004 10:51 AM
|several decades on the Right. Standard tactic. Later, an Ann Coulter will come along to say it didn't really happen. These people are better than Stalinists at rewriting history.|
|I didn't make up anything||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 11:58 AM
|Where is the innuendo? She is being paid to speak on Dean's behalf. As I said, Dean could have said I'll pay your expenses (which I believe is the traditional way of doing business), but it didn't happen that way. He is paying her to endorse him. It's really very simple. I don't understand why you cannot grasp that concept. She came out and said I am endorsing Howard Dean and by the way he is paying me $20k per month. You want to know who said what first in order to determine what is and isn't appropriate. OK you are fine with it. Good for you to be so open-minded about graft! Thats laughable.
How do you know she didn't try to get more from Kerry before accepting Dean's offer? Kerry probably figured he didn't need her support. Dean knew he was a loser in Iowa and falling behind in VT. I think this is all a hoot. I will also gloat in November!
|There you go again! What you say is||BottomBracketShell|
Jan 26, 2004 12:03 PM
|nothin *but* innuendo! You just take the interpretation you want and call it true and then slander people with it.|
|I believe you!||czardonic|
Jan 26, 2004 12:04 PM
|I'm sure you are just a victim of someone else's cynical attempt to plant nutty fantasies in impressionable minds.
Shame on them.
|I just HATE to let FACTS intrude on this fantasy||OldEdScott|
Jan 26, 2004 12:11 PM
|but people are paid all the time to work on campaigns. Being paid to work on a campaign is, in fact, 'the traditional way of doing business.' I've made a living getting paid to work on campaigns. I get expenses and compensation above and beyond expenses. Of COURSE I do.
And $20K for the job she's doing traveling around the country in a cash-heavy, high-profile presidential campaign isn't at all out of the ordinary.
OK, we interrupt these facts to return you to your regularly scheduled fantasy ...
|When is the last time a candidate dropped out of a race to ...||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 12:23 PM
|stump for another rival, and got a salary for it? As I said, I wouldn't have a problem with it if there wasn't a specific dollar amount on it. If she was going to just be reimbursed for her expenses, that would be different. I'll bet she is getting the $20k over and above her expenses. This will come out in the wash one day when she needs to reveal her taxes - that is if she runs for public office again. Ed, it's not the same as you earning a living skewering Republicans. She was a candidate in the race. Not the same at all.|
|So she's barred from making a living in her chosen||OldEdScott|
Jan 26, 2004 12:29 PM
|field of politics just because she ran a failed campaign for president? Do tell.|
|Timing is everything and so are appearances ...||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 12:33 PM
|especially in politics. Besides, is she endorsing him on principle or for the money as you just intimated? I guess you agree with me on this!|
|It's possible to do both, as the Bush campaign||OldEdScott|
Jan 26, 2004 12:39 PM
|so vividly demonstrates by showering money on the good folks who endorse him on 'principle.' Of course that money comes from taxpayers like me, but still ...|
|But that's just a coincidence!||czardonic|
Jan 26, 2004 12:48 PM
|You can't compare that to the deeply corrupt behavior of CMB. Apples and hand grenades!|
|2000. john mccain for shrub. next question?||rufus|
Jan 26, 2004 8:00 PM
|did halliburton get the iraq contracts||rufus|
Jan 26, 2004 8:03 PM
|because they first donated tons of cash to the bush/cheney campaign? or is that innuendo?|
Jan 26, 2004 7:39 AM
|CMB dropping out of the race and endorsing Dean isn't worth 20 cents, let alone $20K. Your scenario, as usual, is unimaginable, except to vicious paranoids like Sean Hannity.
$20K to travel the country speaking for Dean is cheap at the price.
|To begin with, all I said was ...||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 9:08 AM
|that I never heard of this happening before. Can you tell me another time when it did? I also didn't think it was ethical to pay someone for their endorsement which is exactly what is happening here. Additionally, I guess it's no coincidence that she is a minority. Dean has never before appointed or hired any person of minority stature to any position within his administration. Paying her tab for speaking engagements is much different than paying her a salary!
You didn't answer my question about this scenario with a relevant candidate such as Clark or even Edwards doing the same. I think it stinks of something, but you all seem to be fine with it. What else did I expect? I can't wait until November when this is all put to bed and the Dumocrats are an even smaller minority because of their duplicitous, double-talking and depraved ethics. It will be a referendum on morality in America and American politics!
|Don't forget who you're talking to, this guy doesn't think a BJ||No_sprint|
Jan 26, 2004 9:35 AM
|is sexual relations.
They can spin better than a washer. Makes no difference, facts speak for themselves. Looks bad, period. Makes a differnce? Nope.
Jan 26, 2004 9:41 AM
|If Howard Dean is stupid enough to pay CMB that much to drop out of the race and endorse him, depravity is the least of anyone's concerns. He'd be certifiably a moron.
One might more fruitfully look for depravity in relentless political namecalling, conspiracy-mongering, and attacks on the patriotic integrity of fellow Americans. One MIGHT.
|I actually didn't say Dean was||Live Steam|
Jan 26, 2004 10:02 AM
|Maybe I was referring to CMB and any Dumocrat that endorses this type of business. Dean is stupid for doing so, but it's not his money anyway, so what does he have to lose?
Oh you can't call me to the mat for that. Well unless your upset that I stole the Dumocrats fighting lines. You guys have been doing it for years and still engage in it. You reap what you sew my friend. We Republicans can play the game on your terms if you like. The attacks have been one-sided foe decades, but now the worm is turning! Morality is on our side. It's hard to be viewed as being moral when your party supported such an amoral character. It's coming time to pay the piper!
|Tremble in the shadow of moral superiority!||czardonic|
Jan 26, 2004 11:36 AM
|Steam and his fellow righteous ones are going to show us some Real Man Values!|| |