|I think I'd rather look at Bush another 4 years then J.Kerry||CARBON110|
Jan 22, 2004 3:37 PM
|That guy is just full of practiced excuses and popular tested lines. He is uninspirational and insincere, don't see how Iowa got so carried away.|
|Heard the rumor about the Iowa voting machines?||Cory|
Jan 22, 2004 3:55 PM
|Well, to begin, what could be more important in a presidential candidate than looks?
That aside, though, I've been getting notes from readers about the voting process in Iowa. I've done no research and don't suggest this is true, but supposedly all but two Iowa counties use machines provided by the company that contributed so heavily to the Bush campaign (is it Diebold? I've just skimmed these things). On the premise that Bush would much rather run against a stodgy pol like Kerry than against an outspoken and hard-to-predict newcomer like Dean, they charge that Kerry's come-from-behind victory in Iowa was, in fact, the result of ballot fiddling rather than the voters' preference. That's why it caught everybody by surprise.
Can we check the paper backup ballots? Sorry, there aren't any.
Can we examine the machines? Sorry, not permitted. Take our word for it.
Do I believe it? Not really. Do I think it's impossible? Ha!
|Only one things stops that conspiracy in its tracks.||dr hoo|
Jan 22, 2004 4:15 PM
|They don't use voting machines in the caucuses.
Now, if you want to say that all the caucus site people were compromised, that's tough. So posit that someone central messed with the data. Since the results (phoned in from each caucus) went on the web almost immediately, there is little time to do it. Also, given 99 counties, and who knows how many caucus sites, do you really think that NONE of those people checked the numbers that got posted? And if they saw a change, they just kept quiet?
Voting machines have HUGE problems, Diebold in particular. But the conspiracy theorists better make sure they are used before they start spinning the tales on HOW they were compromised.
|Dr. Boohoo! I'm impressed. Thank you. Cory, how much||No_sprint|
Jan 23, 2004 8:44 AM
|research have you done into this matter? LOLOLOLOL|
|Lots o' research here:||BottomBracketShell|
Jan 23, 2004 8:53 AM
|No haldol day for Hardoninbottom. nm||No_sprint|
Jan 23, 2004 9:04 AM
|LOL!! Good stuff!!! nm||BottomBracketShell|
Jan 23, 2004 9:09 AM
|I know. Thank you, imitation is the deepest form of flattery nm||No_sprint|
Jan 23, 2004 9:15 AM
|LOL! Wouldn't want to imitate this:||BottomBracketShell|
Jan 23, 2004 9:21 AM
|This love fest should be intersting first Mondays! nm||128|
Jan 23, 2004 9:18 AM
|Since Sprint can't read||bboc|
Jan 23, 2004 10:16 AM
|I'll defend Cory. When he says, "I've done no research and don't suggest this is true".
No_Sprint asks, "Cory, how much
research have you done into this matter? LOLOLOLOL"
Keep up the good work genius!
|No, I SAID I didn't buy it. But the mail keeps coming.||Cory|
Jan 23, 2004 9:01 PM
|I'm just a local columnist for a medium-sized paper, but my stuff goes on the Web site and since there aren't all THAT many liberals writing these days, a lot of times it gets picked up and posted all over. I've had mail alleging or asking about a Repub takeover of the caucus from Hong Kong, South Africa and a couple from Canada. I don't buy it at all, but I thought it was interesting that there are people out there who DO believe the American system is rigged. I tend to think of U.S. news from a U.S. viewpoint, and I forget that people in other countries have a very different view.|
|Mighty deep thoughts. (nm)||czardonic|
Jan 22, 2004 5:03 PM
|Listening to Bush is painful||Continental|
Jan 23, 2004 7:23 AM
|Even when I agree with everything Bush says (which is not very frequently) it is torture to hear him read a speech. His oral reading skills are much closer to my 2nd grade son's than to my 6th grade daughter's. For the record, I reluctantly voted for Bush in 2000 and still think I made the right decision. Strongly leaning toward Bush in 2004, but wish for a better candidate.|
|You guys shouldn't have torpedoed McCain. He's a good R. nm||128|
Jan 23, 2004 7:28 AM
|McCain torpedoed himself||Continental|
Jan 23, 2004 7:53 AM
|Lust for the Presidency magnified his idiosyncrasies and temporarily transformed him into a bumbling nutcase.|
|That and a very dirty campaign in SC. nm||OldEdScott|
Jan 23, 2004 8:08 AM
|Agree, Bush is hard on the ears...||Dwayne Barry|
Jan 23, 2004 7:36 AM
|but imagine Lieberman. He sounds like the father from ALF, except worse.|
|Lieberman sounds like...||Starliner|
Jan 23, 2004 8:54 AM
|.... I heard Joe on the radio the other day and it suddenly struck me - he sounds like John Malkovich.|
|A voice like sand and glue. And he'll give it his all 24/6!||128|
Jan 23, 2004 9:05 AM
|HE made that joke! He did! So I DON'T expect the Spanish Inquisition.|
|How many 's'es in 'terrorissssssssssstsssss.' nm||OldEdScott|
Jan 23, 2004 8:11 AM
|How many "EEUHYARGH!"s in White House? nm||128|
Jan 23, 2004 9:12 AM
|While it might be, does it matter in the slightest?||No_sprint|
Jan 23, 2004 8:52 AM
|I spend most of my waking hours surrounded by ultra brilliant people (unlike myself). These people are MIT, St. John's MDs, Cal Tech, Stanford, Harvard and Yale grads that all have some kind of story like "fastest Ph.D. campaign", "youngest to Ph.D.", "most Ph.D.s" etc.
None of them have very good speaking skills. Don't really matter.
Heck, just look at what kinda trouble Clinton wouldn't have been in had he been a mute...
|yes, it matters.||dr hoo|
Jan 23, 2004 12:51 PM
|Communication is a very important skill in a leader, especially one that makes speeches. When style gets in the way of substance, it matters. It should not, but it does.
I know some scary bright people too, and many of them cannot communicate to those that are outside their area of expertise. They can pretty much all talk to insiders, but they can't shift language when they need to. The thing about political leaders is that they need to communicate to all kinds of people on complex and important topics. Speaking skills are what let them do that.
|You're right, it does matter. He's done it good enough||No_sprint|
Jan 23, 2004 1:05 PM
|to get into White House. It's good enough for me. I guess if that's such a big knock for some, that it's not good enough, oh well! Tough! Move on!|
|Mendacious moron's meager merits madden many;||czardonic|
Jan 23, 2004 1:47 PM
|Bush is <i>supposed</i> to sound like a numbskull.||czardonic|
Jan 23, 2004 10:04 AM
|He's the ultimate true-conservatives-have-no-constituancy-so-lets-run-a-disarming-dolt-who-can-take-orders-and-stay-on-message candidate.
Intelligent people are becoming practically un-electable in the United States. People would rather see their own ingnorance and mediocrity legitimized. Revenge of the Jocks!
|Kerry was the only one at the debate last night||BottomBracketShell|
Jan 23, 2004 8:55 AM
|who looked like a president, though. I think that counts for something, he looks like he's been around the block a few times.|
|Kerry = Senator Hunky to Iowa Caucus Goers||Dale Brigham|
Jan 23, 2004 9:36 AM
|My wife (talented and lovely) related to me a true tale of the Iowa caucus, as told to her by one of her Iowan colleagues, a woman who actually particpated in the process. In short, our insider reports that in her caucus, the female caucus participants were ga-ga for Senator Kerry's looks. She thought that Kerry's visual appeal surely increased his take of delegates.
Dale (Kerry does nothing for me, in that respect.)