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A meaningful sign the democrats have a chance.(19 posts)

A meaningful sign the democrats have a chance.dr hoo
Jan 21, 2004 8:13 AM
My racist, right wing, 64 year old barber (a real barber, not a "stylist") spent this morning ripping on Bush and the republicans. I have NEVER heard this guy say ANYTHING even remotely liberal in 5 years. The most progressive thing he has ever said was "I don't care what the gays do, as long as it's not get married and they keep their lifestyle out of my face." He makes Steam's obsession with Clinton seem tame.

But today, he was pissed off. Breaks for the rich, vets benefits getting cut, sneaky underhanded back room deals, saying one thing and doing another, illegal aliens taking jobs, census data being used for tracking people, medicare, even the environment (in hunting terms).

My favorite quote: "They said the rich deserved more tax breaks because the poor don't pay much in taxes. Now they want to give tax breaks to fix health care. If your not paying much in taxes, how is a tax break going to pay for health insurance? Do you know how much that costs?"

If this guy is going off, then the democrats do have a chance.
The poor are finally getting the pictureColnagoFE
Jan 21, 2004 8:25 AM
Finally realizing the GOP is not their friend. Took them long enough.
Hell, Dean was right about guns, gays and God.OldEdScott
Jan 21, 2004 8:34 AM
The whole damn reason poor and working class people keep electing people who disdain if not despise them and actively work against their economic interests.
I see you used past tensegtx
Jan 21, 2004 8:56 AM
you think it's over for Dean?
He's in deep trouble.OldEdScott
Jan 21, 2004 9:03 AM
He could have survived losing Iowa, but it'll be hard for him to survive that 'concession' speech becoming a national joke. We'll see. Almost every candidate who became a great candidate overcame at least one potentially fatal disaster. This is Dean's 'opportunity' to pull that hat trick.

Just saw a tracking poll that has Kerry blowing past Clark in NH, by the way.
YEEEEE HAAAWWWW! (nm needed)dr hoo
Jan 21, 2004 9:29 AM
I don't want to be unfair to Kerry, but...gtx
Jan 21, 2004 9:29 AM
well, he's kind of odd looking, isn't he? It also seems that Bush could easily paint Kerry as a liberal NE elite.

Think Dean would take a VP slot?
Check this for the Deaniacs' reaction to all this:OldEdScott
Jan 21, 2004 9:40 AM

I think Kerry's a suicidal choice. If the party picks Kerry, it will get what it deserves: A 15-point trouncing and 60 Repubs in the Senate.

Dean's ego is much too big to accept VP. Plus he's too pissed at the party to 'help out.' Plus the party is in no mood to make such an offer to someone who was so ... mean ... to them.

All in all, boiling disaster for the Dems. Now Hillary rides to the rescue, eh?
Is it over for Dean? Who knows?czardonic
Jan 21, 2004 9:57 AM
Certainly not the image-obsessed twits quoted in this article. "Zealot"?
I'm worried that Clark's not much bettergtx
Jan 21, 2004 10:22 AM
He kind of reminds me of Admiral Stockdale.

But if the econonmy stays the same or improves slightly, and the Iraq war stays more or less "stable", then I'd say it's going to be tough for anyone to unseat Bush. I think the only way to beat Bush if the above holds true is for the Dems to try to pin 9/11 on Bush--and Clark has shown he's not afraid of taking this stance:

I'd say that and the deficit are the only hope.
Kerry -- OES, please remind me why you despise him (nm)Dale Brigham
Jan 21, 2004 9:44 AM
Jan 21, 2004 10:12 AM
Well, despise is a strong word. But I knew him when we were both in Vietnam Veterans Against the War in the early 1970s. I found his 'radicalism' suspect and and his motives opportunistic. He always had a political career in mind, and he came across as a cold and calculating grandstander. Plus he was a bit of a commissar. He lacked a heartfelt 'democratic impulse,' let us say.

Basically he was prick. I have no reason to believe he's changed, from things I hear.
Sorry, Old Ed. Did not mean to put words in your mouth. (nm)Dale Brigham
Jan 21, 2004 11:57 AM
For one, there's likely a conspiracy to useNo_sprint
Jan 21, 2004 10:24 AM
Heinz ketchup in all the government offices he has ties to. I'll bet he's offering ketchup kickbacks for contracts.
ketchup is a vegetable nmgtx
Jan 21, 2004 10:54 AM
Heinz ketchup conspiracy--caught red-handed!Dale Brigham
Jan 21, 2004 11:48 AM
Way back in the 70s or 80s, before you kids were born, as part of a court-ordered settlement for making unsubstantiated nutrition claims for its products, the Heinz company set up a foundation to fund nutrition information for the public. Penn State University's Nutrition Information Center was the prime recipient of that settlement, as I recall. At least, that's what they told me when I was a nutrition grad student there.

I think we better get Rufus on it! :) nmNo_sprint
Jan 21, 2004 1:18 PM
Clark was counting on getting the Anti-Dean vote ...HouseMoney
Jan 21, 2004 11:04 AM
... but Kerry beat him to it (and Edwards to a lesser extent). Ol' Wesley has too many inconsistencies in his comments to get any traction. The more the light shines on Clark, the more he'll drop. This'll be a two-horse race shortly.

I've read where Kerry has a Senate voting record that's 96% consistent with Ted Kennedy's. That will surely be an issue the Republicans will bring up ... frequently (assuming he gets the nomination)! The ranting & raving speech that Kennedy gave at an Iowa pep-rally for Kerry was almost as comical as Dean's.
Clark was counting on getting the Anti-Dean vote ...Sintesi
Jan 21, 2004 4:50 PM
YEah he needed Kerry to waffle and Dean to prevail in Iowa. That way he would've seemed like the logical fall back position amongst the anti-deaniacs. Kerry and Clark appeal to basically the same type of voter and will split that demographic weakening both of their bases.

Clark's essential strategy is to place strong in NH and survive to scoop up the southern delegates amongst whom he feels he has the most appeal. He might be right. Really I think a strong third is all he needs. But Kerry, especially if he wins NH will be really looking like a winner and that may supercede any southern "credentials" Clark might have. People like a winner.

Edwards could be the real winner if Dean keeps plummeting and Clark and Kerry attack each other tho.

This will be a wild 4-way race for a month I predict.