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Stop me if we've done this: French ban on religious symbols(7 posts)

Stop me if we've done this: French ban on religious symbols128
Jan 20, 2004 1:05 PM
in schools. Essentially prohibiting large crosses, Islamic head gear(!)and Yarmulkas from public school.

Right or rong?

I suppose I could agree with such a ban but I am not clear on exactly why they want to do this. At the same time, I find the ban offensive as well. I'm not a strict constructionist (applying the ban in a US context) but as one who argues Big Religion as practiced probably causes more ill-will among men than it resolves, keeping Religion out of the formative years has it's value imo.

I find offensive, though, the fact that people cannot freely express their beliefs/Religion in some public contexts. Yet on balance I am more offended by the killing and hate that goes on as a result of free expression among those who would hate each other over such differences.
ah, but it eez France...mohair_chair
Jan 20, 2004 1:16 PM
The French as a whole have been anti-religious since the Revolution, so this isn't all that out of character. You simply can't apply the US context or the American pattern of thinking.

I got to hand to the French. They said it all has to go, no exceptions. No one would have the guts to do that in the USA. I wish the US government could make a hard decision and stick by it, but that won't happen in my lifetime.
Is gang affiliation a religion?czardonic
Jan 20, 2004 1:28 PM
Or vice versa? There are all kinds of laws in the US banning this or that garb.
I can see their viewpoint.MR_GRUMPY
Jan 20, 2004 1:50 PM
France, ...... Love it, or leave it.
re: Stop me if we've done this: French ban on religious symbolsSpoiler
Jan 20, 2004 5:57 PM
I think the move got lots of support from French women's rights factions. They believe the veil is a symbol of the persecution and suppression of women. They believe Islamic women who protest the ban are being coersed by Islamic males. This measure is a good jumping off point for an Islamic women's rights movement.

French men who favor the ban for religious reasons can unite with French feminists. The French are very skilled at alliances like these.
re: Stop me if we've done this: French ban on religious symbolsJon Billheimer
Jan 21, 2004 8:30 AM
The French state has always been secular, according to what I understand. However, the very large muslim minority in France, true to their culture, would like to theocratize society.

I would love to see this sort of legislation in Canada and the U.S., and that goes for gov't funding of religious schools too. But this will never, never happen. One, governments pander to interest groups to buy votes, and religious blocks--the evangelicals in the U.S. and the Catholic church in Canada--swing huge numbers of voters. Just think what would happen to American politics if the Southern Baptist Convention could no longer put a token bigot in the White House!
Canada: Unity in diversity. France: Unity in unity.Spunout
Jan 21, 2004 8:45 AM
USA: I don't know.

Maybe all the kids in schools will be issued Mao suits.

I regularly support exclusion of church in our school system. The province of Ontario still supports a 'separate' catholic school system.

Didn't work in Ireland.