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So any of you paranoid Patriot Act hatin', Clinton .....Live Steam
Jan 19, 2004 3:34 PM
lovin' liberals want to share your thoughts about the Clinton FBI file scam? Wasn't this a sever breach of privacy? Was this OK or forgivable? Does anyone believe that they didn't retain the information to use at a later date? Is this an issue for Hillarity in '08? Is this ancient history or are they disseminating this information already - i.e. Dean's checkered history seems to be creeping out of ancient crevices, to hurt his campaign. Hmm, Bubba supports Clark. Any connection? Was Rush the first victom of their diabolical plan? Is Sean Hannity next? Ed Asner thinks so :O)
It's time to take your meds........MR_GRUMPY
Jan 19, 2004 6:01 PM
What's next........The black helicopters ? Or will it be the plot by democrats to start a war to cover up all their crazy plans to screw the American public......Wait, that's been done.
So I guess I can put you down as a 'NO'Live Steam
Jan 19, 2004 6:16 PM
Why don't you at least make an attempt to answer the questions? Were you outraged about the FBI files, or was it just a simple SNAFU like they wanted us to believe? I am sure you gave them a pass. Yet, if Ws admin. pulled off the same caper, you would be calling for their heads like you were for whom ever allegedly outed the supposed CIA agent.

I don't think it's beyond reason to assume that Hillarity and Bubba retained information from those files to be used in a time of need. Oh, Ed Asner made that statement. I didn't make it up. He believes, as I do, that more malicious stuff will emerge as needed, for the good of the 'Party'.
Jan 20, 2004 1:20 AM
you rely on the NY Post for news - you need to grab hold of those reigns and pull tight - the horses appear to have gotten away from you
HA HA HA HA HA! You're a card!OldEdScott
Jan 20, 2004 5:58 AM
But seriously, my friend, you need to get off the speed. It tends to make you babble.

You've asked a whole gaggle of questions here, and instead of answering each one, I'll just say: Whatever you believe in this *paranoid* mismash, I disagree with. Should cover it nicely.
I figured as muchLive Steam
Jan 20, 2004 6:10 AM
The liberals on this board constantly prove there's a standard for the Clintons and a standard for the rest of us. That's how Bubba and the Witch see it too. That is why they behave the way they do. Bubba chases tail because he has never suffered any consequences for it - al la Gary Hart and Hillarity spins evil plots because she has never been made to come clean.

The same applies to the FBI files. They virtually tear down any veil of privacy and not one of you has something to say about it, yet you are all so disturbed by the Patriot Act. That's quite duplicitous, but also quite expected of you. You all got what you deserved - a right wing President, supported by a right wing House and Senate. Get used to it for it will be quite a while before that scenario is changed. It won't happen in 2008. That's for sure.
I believe you're as guilty of that double standardOldEdScott
Jan 20, 2004 6:24 AM
as anyone, old sport. If Bubba or the Witch had passed the Patriot Act, you'd be howling. Such is extreme partisan politics. No big whoop.
Still avoiding the question, and you ...Live Steam
Jan 20, 2004 6:47 AM
are wrong about your supposition. You are also wrong about not supporting such a bill. Man I can't believe you don't even know that the Witch voted 'yeah' in support of the US Patriot Act. You should feel quite ashamed. Heck you all should feel quite ashamed. Feingold was the only 'nay'. Landrieu was the only non-vote. If yall had a real problem with it, I am sure yall wrote your state senators to express your displeasure with them. Yeah, right! LOL!!!!!!
I AM ashamed The Witch voted yes! WhoOldEdScott
Jan 20, 2004 6:59 AM
told you I wasn't?? Man, debating you is like debating a Mexican jumping bean, the leaps you make. Feingold was terrific, and Military Mary did great, given the politics -- better than everyone but Feingold.

MY state senators are the openly fascist Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning, so I didn't bother writing them.

Fact is, Steam, you're perfectly happy with turning America into a police state. "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." I am NOT happy with turning America into a police state, and will do everything I can to prevent it. That's just where we differ, and I guess we'll agree to disagree.
Oh come now ....Live Steam
Jan 20, 2004 7:14 AM
you said they would never support such an act, yet they did. You either didn't know that or chose to ignore it. Either way it's quite dishonest to protest so much about it and blame Bush solely for it. But that's the way the game is played, isn't it? We hear Kerry talk about giving up our freedoms - referring to the Patriot Act, because he knows Americans are too stupid and lazy to go seek out the information that he too supported it. It just makes me sick.

I am not happy with a police state. But, I am also not happy with the way the World is today either. The Patriot Act pretty much restated powers that were already at the disposal of our intelligence agencies. It broadened some powers, but the reality of it is that each and every Dumocrat out there that is now using it as a weapon against Bush in his re-election bid, voted in favor of it. I am sure that the fair-minded mass media will point this fact out to all of the lemmings that live in this dear country of ours. I am sure all of our scholarly students and academics who are so outraged by the PA are also aware that virtually every US Senator, save two, voted in favor of passing it too! Hahahahahaha! I doubt it!!!

Mexican jumping bean? Everything I asked was connected to this discussion. You also didn't admit to knowing what Ed Asner said on national TV. Your party is full of low down dirty handed individuals who will stop at nothing to meet their goals. Now that is scary.
do you really believe the stuff you write here?MJ
Jan 20, 2004 7:23 AM
your rants are the most clichéd trailer dwelling methamphetamine paranoid stream of concious vitriol I've come across - you appear to be unnaturally fixated on the Clintons and unable to accept any criticism of your darling neocons

I used to be a social worker who dealt, every now and then, with mental health issues - you remind me of a client who needs to be sectioned but ends up being a symbol of the ineffectiveness of mental health treatment
Hey MJ you need some new material manLive Steam
Jan 20, 2004 7:34 AM
But you never let me down. Your responses are typical Dumocrat drivel. When you can't win an argument you attack the messenger with slander and vitriol.

Looks like you are unable to accept the truth. Every single Dumocrat save two voted for the very act you are so appalled at, yet you have nothing to say in their defense and nothing to say against what they did. You are all mutes when it comes to criticizing your own party, but you expect we Republicans to do just that or face your incessant denigration. It's not working any more. You will find out in November.
Simply, astonishingly untrue, even for you.OldEdScott
Jan 20, 2004 7:49 AM
I have bitterly criticized my own party, including the Witch, for their vote on the Fascist Police State Act, and will do so at every opportunity.

Why are you so full of hate, man? You're really worrying me.
the only slander and drivelMJ
Jan 20, 2004 8:17 AM
I see is from you directed towards the Clintons... cause they're so unnaturally significant in your worldview - you seriously need to be evaluated and medicated kettle (nm)ColnagoFE
Jan 20, 2004 8:32 AM
ed asner???!!rufus
Jan 20, 2004 7:28 AM
now there's a legitimate source of info.

better stick to the ny post.
oh, and whyrufus
Jan 20, 2004 7:29 AM
is it that you and the rest of the right make such a hubbub about know-nothing celebrities and how they should just shut up, and now you're quoting ed asner at us?
Jan 20, 2004 7:46 AM
Where is God's name did I supposedly say they would never support such an act? All I think I said was, if the Patriot Act had been done by them on their watch (meaning if it had been done while either of them was president) you would howl. And you would. You just hate the Clintons, and so hate anything they do. If they called for eliminating every tax in America, you'd see it as a cunning plot to do something bad to you personally.

You may be astonished to know, Steam, that I don't normally pay much attention when Ed Asner talks, and if I DO pay attention I don't take him seriously.

Good God, man, you have GOT to taper off the speed.
Ed Asner is the Rush Limbaugh of the LiberalsColnagoFE
Jan 20, 2004 8:31 AM
Does anyone really take him seriously anyway? He is on the fringe. So what if Kerry supported the act then--isn't he allowed to change his mind later? Zealots like you scare me.
did he get busted with drugs too? - nmMJ
Jan 20, 2004 8:39 AM
Now there's a sign of a true leaderLive Steam
Jan 20, 2004 8:51 AM
"So what if Kerry supported the act then--isn't he allowed to change his mind later?"

"Hey march down that road and engage the enemy! Hey wait, you guys didn't do what I commanded you to do, did ya'? They weren't the enemy!"

When a person is in that positions of power, one has very little room for error in judgment. He voted and should stand by his vote. If he can't do that, he should step down now!

Sorry you scare so easily, but that's a typical response from a liberal, isn't it? "You scare me! Boo hoo hoo!" Well I have to say that all of you duplicitous leftists scare me. As soon as the waters turn, you're all ready to change your position. After 9/11, every Dumocratic leader was jumping on the bandwagon to politically grandstand. It's plainly obvious they didn't do it because of their convictions! Who needs weak-kneed polltakers like that leading this country?
take your ritalin man...seriouslyColnagoFE
Jan 20, 2004 8:55 AM
If you have such strong convictions and ideas then why aren't you a politician? Easier being a Monday morning QB, isn't it?
I just might do that - run for office that is :O)Live Steam
Jan 20, 2004 9:24 AM
We're all MMQBs here my friend. I don't think any policies are being made here on the RBR non-cycling forum. You need to get a grip.

Hey you still want to bet some rubbers that Bush won't get re-elected? That was the bet, wasn't it?

Oh you really should stick to the topic. I posited that voting in the Senate should be a serious matter and that when one casts a vote it should be supported and not forgotten or run away from. Do you disagree with that?
Hey, if you run let me handle your campaign!OldEdScott
Jan 20, 2004 9:40 AM
It would be great fun to run a campaign totally untethered by reason, facts, accountability or the U.S Constitution! ;0)
I am sure it would be fun but ...Live Steam
Jan 20, 2004 9:48 AM
certainly not novel for dumocratic campaign guru ;O) My people will contact your people for further discussion :O)
I agree that a Senator needs to answer for his votingColnagoFE
Jan 20, 2004 9:48 AM
That said, I don't think there is any reason that they can't later change their mind if they see that they may have been wrong. Better for a leader to admit his/her mistake and move on than sticking with a bad decision forever because it might appear that they are weak. Heck...Bush probably could have sold the dems on anything that close to post-9/11.
Again not a very good trait for a leaderLive Steam
Jan 20, 2004 10:01 AM
"Heck...Bush probably could have sold the dems on anything that close to post-9/11."

The problem with what you said is that Kerry never admitted to being wrong. He just used people's own ignorance of the facts to help his cause. Pretty much all of the Dumocrats are doing that save Dean - at least where the war and other issues he could not have influenced one way or the other, are concerned. Dean has other problems with credibility and changing his position based on MMQBing as you put it.

Isn't that in effect what Kerry is trying to do? "Let's see, what can I make an isse of for the voters? Well some of them don't like the war. Even though I voted to support it, most of them are too stupid or lazy to figure out that I did, I will make that a core issue. What else can I use? Hey how about the Patriot Act? I'll be many of them can't even spell patriot, so they'll never know I voted to support it any way. Yeah, that's it. I'll make issues out of stuff they have no idea about!" Isn't that how it went? Well maybe not in that order or in those exact words, but that's the gist of it.

Leaders cannot do that. Bush cannot go back and say he was wrong, especially when some people gave their lives for it. Kerry supported it and people gave their lives because he supported it. End of story!
Have you forgotten about Mr. "No new taxes" Bush Sr.? (nm)ColnagoFE
Jan 20, 2004 10:55 AM
Man talk about dragging up ancient history...Live Steam
Jan 20, 2004 11:15 AM
I don't think that necessarily applies here. It's at least a poor analogy to make. I'd say it's more akin to saying that you will bring a new attitude to Washington and then do the same backstabbing things you accused your predecessors of doing - sound familiar? It's what Bubba and the Witch said when being interviewed by Bahbah Wahwah! That's a lot closer to betraying principles than finding you need to raise taxes even though you didn't want to.