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Old Ed, Nole and other Southerners(24 posts)

Old Ed, Nole and other Southernersmoneyman
Jan 9, 2004 8:33 AM
Having shown my ignorance of the New South in the discussion regarding Essie Mae Washington-Williams (94Nole "Essie Mae Washington-Williams - what a treat." 12/23/03 7:05am), I have resolved to do my best to understand your region of the country. In my research, I watched "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" (a copy of which was given to me as a Christmas gift) last night. Now I understand that the action in this movie took place 57 years in time and light years in culture ago, but help me with something:

Do y'all really talk like that? If so, how do you communicate without subtitles?

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Southerners talk normally, you Yankees talk funny (nm)PaulCL
Jan 9, 2004 8:44 AM
What about Westerners...mohair_chair
Jan 9, 2004 9:47 AM
Living in California, I've always wondered. Am I considered a Yankee? We sure aren't Dixies, but does that automatically make us Yankees?

I did some research and discovered that California provided over 15,000 volunteers to the Union Army, so I sure that doesn't help. The Union Army of the Pacific also defeated the Confederate Army of New Mexico in 1862. But we ain't Yankees!
What about Westerners...PaulCL
Jan 9, 2004 10:01 AM
Good question. I'm not sure what the official answer is. I'm not expert 'cause I ain't a natural born southern boy. I was born in the north (Ohio) but have spent 2/3 of my life in south (KY,TX,TN & FL). I took a quick poll of my fellow Kentuckians in the office regarding the labelling of California: Yankee or not?? The conclusion: drum roll puhlease! Not. You ain't neither. Californians are from another planet all together. You are just Californians. Period. Congrats.
In my view, yes.OldEdScott
Jan 9, 2004 10:43 AM
We Southerners tend to binary thinking. You're either a Southerner or a Yankee. Period. I see the picture of Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin at Potsdam and think: "Look at them three Yankee generals."
And I see Lee and Jackson and Hood...moneyman
Jan 9, 2004 10:51 AM
And think "Look at those damned traitors!"

I'm pretty sure that I would fall into the Yankee camp, even though Wyoming was pristine wilderness during the Civil War.

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I have tolerated your insults with good humorOldEdScott
Jan 9, 2004 10:54 AM
for many months now. But now you've stepped over the line.
Get out the muskets!PaulCL
Jan 9, 2004 12:02 PM
The Civil War is about to start again!

A hint for Moneyman: Never, ever, ever insult a Southerner's ancestors (AKA: kin,"folks", "people" etc...). You might as well spit in their face. Go buy a gun 'cause OldEd is gonna go huntin' for Californians! (OK, as it is 2004, he may just use words, but he'll still be aimin' fo ya!)
Don't need to buy a gunmoneyman
Jan 9, 2004 12:29 PM
I live in Wyoming. I have plenty. And I know how to use them.

If Ed wants to run after me, let him. I live at 6,000 feet elevation, which ought to have his lowland heart a-racin' within seconds of starting out. And I didn't know he was related to any of those traitors! I would think that was something you wouldn't want to publicize.

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It just gets worse and worse.OldEdScott
Jan 9, 2004 12:38 PM
I may have to come to Wyoming yet. With my DOGS.
Kentucky?Spoke Wrench
Jan 11, 2004 7:18 AM
You sure that's a part of the south? Wasn't it a border state, like Missouri, during the War of Northern Aggression?
Differences:Dave_Stohler
Jan 10, 2004 2:50 AM
Ev'ry sutthunuh knows thet thar be a diff'rence atween them thar "yankees" an' them "damnyankees".
For 'O'Brother' you'd be better off reading the OdysseyColnagoFE
Jan 9, 2004 9:10 AM
Funny movie. http://207.201.181.225/ARTICLES/obrother.html
We only 'talk Southern' around Yankees.OldEdScott
Jan 9, 2004 9:24 AM
We do it to amuse ourselves, and to make you feel excluded. For example, if you came to visit, I would find myself saying words like 'Amon.' As in 'Amon git up an git mahself a drank.'

We never talk that way amongst ourselfs.
WellSpecialTater
Jan 9, 2004 9:26 AM
I'm a dapper dan man myself. I also say Damn...we'rinatitespot a lot too. And I've used the "Is you is or is you ain't my constichency" some referring to my buddy Trent.

There are people here I can barely understand, but nothing like Boston. I had an easier time communicating with Italians.
It's an entertaining movie if you can stomach looney clooneyNo_sprint
Jan 9, 2004 9:47 AM
the liberal whack job pop off himself.
have you seen "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind"?ColnagoFE
Jan 9, 2004 11:08 AM
I enjoyed that one. He played a CIA agent in that. Good flick.
Never heard of itNo_sprint
Jan 9, 2004 11:13 AM
I'll keep it in mind though.

I prefer to go to the theater, pay for a Mel Gibson or Kurt Russell movie for the 10th time and sneak in to view movies like that. Much like Tom Hanks and a truckload of other's flicks.
About the game show host Chuck BarrisColnagoFE
Jan 9, 2004 11:51 AM
The creator of the Gong show, Dating game, and Newlywed show. Not what you'd think. A strange, but entertaining movie involving game shows and espionage.
there are varying degrees of "Suthen"DougSloan
Jan 9, 2004 12:24 PM
When I lived in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, on the Mississippi river and right near cotton land, I'd say about half the people there thought they were in "the South" and half not. Many had moderate Southern accents, probably more aptly described at "hick" accents.

When I visited my kin, grandparents and cousins, in rural Tennessee, then I lernt what real Suthen wuz. They spoke so slowly it could hardly follow them. They used all the colorful colloquialisms. They certainly knew I was not "a Southerner." After all, Mizzura was a Union state, even if it was technically south of the Mason-Dixon and formerly a slave state.

On the other hand, I spent a fair amount of time in Nashville when I was dating a woman there. For about half it's residents, you could barely tell they had ever even been to "the South," as it's fairly metropolitan. The more rural you get, the more Southern it gets.

Doug
Didn't Missouri have a Confederate Government?ms
Jan 9, 2004 1:27 PM
If I recall correctly, Missouri had both a Confederate Government and a Union Government, with Missourians serving in both the US and Confederate Congresses. Here in Maryland, another "border" state, President Lincoln used widescale arrests to make sure the Maryland had only one government, a Union one. Although Maryland had significant Southern sympathies during the Civil War, very few Marylanders today would consider themselves to be southerners.

BTW: Missouri is both north and south of the Maxon-Dixon line, which technically is the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania that was surveyed by Mason and Dixon in the 18th Century. In fact, if one extends the Maryland-Pennsylvania border to the west, parts of such Yankee strongholds as Ohio, Indiana and Illinois are partially south of the line.

I agree with your rural versus urban distinction -- go to Charlotte or Atlanta -- as the years go by it is harder and harder to find a good southern accent in either place.
You are correctScot_Gore
Jan 9, 2004 3:22 PM
While Missouri had both a Confereate and Union government, the confederation never had effective control of the state, or state government institutions, it was a government in name only (or government in exile, whatever)

The first western battle of the civil war was Wilson's Creek Missouri, August 10 1861. The battle was essentilly over the control of the state. Price and the Missouri State Guard had set up shop in the capital got chased out by approaching federals, called in some Texans for help, turned around to hit the Union forces in Springfield (and the capital eventually), got bushwacked by the boys in blue on the way but managed to fight to a draw. The re-match 6 months later (Pea Ridge Ark) secured Missouri for the Union for the remainder of the conflict.

HTH
Scot
this all could have been avoided if...joe friday
Jan 9, 2004 3:50 PM
more people had seen "Days of Thunder".

The talented, but unknown driver is presented to the sage,
the requisite question being, "he's not a yankee is he?"

"No. He's from California."

Whew...

As for linguistic genocide on the silver screen, i think it reached it's zenith with Kevin Cosner playing JFK.. just
magical how the words left his tongue, traveled 1500 miles
south, picked up a speach impediment, and returned with all
the marbles.
re: Old Ed, Nole and other SouthernersDuane Gran
Jan 12, 2004 6:11 AM
As for central Virginia, I can say that the accent isn't as thick as what I saw in the movie. There is an appalachian accent of sorts that I've noticed though. I found the movie hard to follow and generally felt like I didn't get the joke.