|When will Hillary Clinton be attending Sensitivity Training?||HouseMoney|
Jan 7, 2004 10:44 AM
|It seems the Junior Senator from NY needs to edit her joke repertoire. What was "one of the smartest women in America" thinking?!
I won't hold my breath waiting for the outrage from the PC Police.
|She is given a different ...||Live Steam|
Jan 7, 2004 10:49 AM
|standard of accountability by the press than the rest of the World at large. I doubt she could say anything that would cause tham to attack her like they did Lott and others.|
|I was wondering how long it would take one of you to post||ColnagoFE|
Jan 7, 2004 10:50 AM
|Lame joke blown out of proportion by the PC folk and conservatives who want to discredit her. If a Indian comic had said it he would have gotten a good laugh and nobody would be offended. She did go on to say how much she admired Ghandi. Heck the Simpsons Apu character pokes fun at the Indian convenience store owner stereotype all the time and people think it's funny.|
|So you're comparing Hillarity to Homer? nm||Live Steam|
Jan 7, 2004 10:52 AM
|Maybe Marge.... ;) (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Jan 7, 2004 10:57 AM
|I didn't get a chance to read the story.||czardonic|
Jan 7, 2004 11:31 AM
|Did she make an appearance at Bob Jones University? Wax nostalgic for the days of segregation? Shake hands with Saddam Hussein?
What's the skinny?
|said ghandhi was a gas station attendent in jersey as a joke (nm||ColnagoFE|
Jan 7, 2004 12:40 PM
|I can see why that wouldn't go over too well in the GOP's. . .||czardonic|
Jan 7, 2004 12:48 PM
|. . .Big Tent 'O Tolerance.|
|correction: gas station was in St. Louis ...||HouseMoney|
Jan 7, 2004 12:59 PM
|In Jersey, she would've said it was a convenience store. (ba-dum-bum) Either way you cut it, her attempt at humor wasn't funny. Had I heard it in person I would've moaned at her bad joke. Nothing more, nothing less.|
|Fried, circular breakfast food...||Alex-in-Evanston|
Jan 7, 2004 1:07 PM
|would be the punch line of choice round these parts. I think we're illustrating why my ethnic jokes always bomb when I'm travelling.
|I'm just waiting for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to chime in-n||ColnagoFE|
Jan 7, 2004 1:10 PM
|If Jackson could shake-down Hillary for some $$ ...||HouseMoney|
Jan 7, 2004 1:16 PM
|I'm sure he'd make an appearance, feigning indignation.|
|He'd have to get in line to feign indignation. (nm)||czardonic|
Jan 7, 2004 1:22 PM
|Her reign of terror is over. It is safe to come outside again.||Dale Brigham|
Jan 7, 2004 12:52 PM
|You can all heave a sigh of relief, because Ms. Clinton has surely ended her political career with that outrageous remark. She will resign from the Senate immediately, I'm certain.
As the FOxNews screen crawler in the famous Simpsons episode "Mr. Spritz (??) Goes to Washington" says,
"...Hillary Clinton...Embarrasses Self, Nation..."
|isn't calling the joke "lame" un-PC, too? nm||DougSloan|
Jan 7, 2004 3:00 PM
|I thought the same thing, and what's so bad about...||No_sprint|
Jan 7, 2004 3:01 PM
|running a gas station in St. Louis? Ok, what's so bad about running a gas station? LOL|
|she's obviously never been to a gas station in St. Louis nm||DougSloan|
Jan 7, 2004 3:02 PM
|While you are undoubtably correct about the (non)reaction||purplepaul|
Jan 7, 2004 5:52 PM
|of the PC sect, what I wish people would take from this is that EVERYONE holds stereotypes of one sort or another, EVERYONE makes jokes with racist overtones and if we weren't so afraid of being labeled "racist", we'd admit that nobody suffers from these words (except those who utter them).
I think one of the things that makes our country so great and strong is how ashamed we are of our racism- true racism. That is, actions that keep some people from achieving their fair share.
We're not going to, nor should we strive to, control people's thoughts. But that is what being PC is all about: creating a very narrow corridor of acceptability. Well, Hillary just stepped outside it. What she said doesn't bother me a bit. But the hypocrisy of those behind her is blatant and troubling.
|That is not what being PC is all about.||czardonic|
Jan 7, 2004 6:13 PM
In terms of language, political correctness is about making people aware of the things they say and the meanings that they may convey, even unwittingly.
Political correctness does not agree that racist jokes do not hurt people.
Was Hillary trading on a stereotype? Or, was running a gas station just the first thing that sprung to mind when she jokingly attempted to highlight Gandhi's important work by casting it in ludicrous relief? If you are going to charge hypocrisy, her intent matters.
|No, I'd define that as being civil.||purplepaul|
Jan 7, 2004 7:45 PM
|Being PC means putting labels on people who are deemed "bad" and making a religion out of the "right" way to be.
I don't for a second believe that if Trent Lott said what Hillary did that one Democrat would look for his intent before labeling him racist. I can almost hear the cries of hysteria about how this hurts Indians everywhere, and just demonstrates how the Republican party exists for the white man at everyone else's expense.
So, to mimick the PC, WHY would running a gas station be the first thing that popped into her mind? Not because she's inherently racist and talks this way all the time in private?
The hypocrisy is in claiming that they would have the same reaction to a Republican even if his intent was the same.
|you're right -- a Republican would have been lynched for this nm||DougSloan|
Jan 8, 2004 7:44 AM
|Not by me.||OldEdScott|
Jan 8, 2004 8:22 AM
|You have to get into real ethnic slurs or Earl Butz territory to find me condemning anyone left or right for humor, however feeble. This seems so mild as to be laughable, even if the joke itself wasn't (laughable).|
|yes, but I don't think you are representative||DougSloan|
Jan 8, 2004 10:58 AM
|I don't think your views on a lot of things are representative of many other Democrats, Liberals, or much of the media. Sufficient numbers of all three would have seized upon the incident to nail a Republican, and millions of their lemmings would have gotten all worked up about it and demanded a resignation. I think recent history shown this to be true.
Sometime we of the opposite faith have to attack Democrats and Liberals, and, sorry to say, you get dragged in by association. Nothing personal, but it's too time consuming and dilutes the point to expressly except out those few noble adversaries who don't deserve the lumping in.
|I still think Cheney is a Nazi, though. :-)||OldEdScott|
Jan 8, 2004 12:28 PM
|Maybe you should be civil. . .||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 10:34 AM
|. . .instead of crafting "bad" labels and slapping them on people.
Why would running a gas station pop into her mind? Maybe she had to stop for gas on the way to whatever function she was at when she uttered these hateful yet innocent yet hypocritical remarks.
And does she talk this way all the time in private? I don't know. Was Trent Lott's remark an aberation? No.
|Do you actually believe the stuff you write?||purplepaul|
Jan 8, 2004 12:18 PM
|Maybe she had to stop for gas?
That's really reaching. Even to think she drove herself or that someone else isn't paid to make sure that she would never have to stop for gas on the way to anything.
I think it's more reasonable to assume that she voiced a stereotype that exists within her and leave it at that. I still don't think its effect was harmful to the stereotyped group, regardless of her motivation. But, then, I'm not PC.
|Where would she get that stereotype if she never stops for gas?||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 12:23 PM
|Consider the possibility that these stereotypes are not as prevalent in other people's circles as they appear to be in yours.|
|I expect there are a million and one ways to develop stereotypes||purplepaul|
Jan 8, 2004 12:44 PM
|But that's not the issue. What I find laughable is how far you are willing to stretch credibility to defend your side.
I guess anyone who has seen the Simpsons would qualify as belonging to my circle. You might want to watch it sometime. It might help you to develop a sense of humor.
|I bet you do.||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 1:17 PM
|After all, as we now know, your mind is swarming with them. For my part, I am laughing at how far you are willing to stretch to convince yourself that everyone else is similarly afflicted.|
|Guess it's just me and Hillary. nm||purplepaul|
Jan 8, 2004 1:32 PM
|I'm sure there are others.||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 1:46 PM
|Though you haven't come up with a single reason to believe that Hillary is one of them -- satirical cartoon shows notwithstanding.|
|He is truly alone on his island.||No_sprint|
Jan 8, 2004 2:02 PM
|The sky is a different color there.|
|Response is to purple, my mistake, sorry. nm||No_sprint|
Jan 8, 2004 2:04 PM
Jan 8, 2004 2:08 PM
|No chance you would throw me a bone with some dopey appeal to ridicule.|
|Which one is the donic one?||No_sprint|
Jan 8, 2004 2:07 PM
|The walker in Europe or the other pic I posted of him a few weeks ago...
Could be either I suppose.
|You obviously never had to feed her. nm||purplepaul|
Jan 8, 2004 2:11 PM
|Okay. Now you are making slightly more sense. (nm)||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 2:14 PM
|The real problem was, it just wasn't||OldEdScott|
Jan 8, 2004 6:28 AM
|funny. Terrible joke, rotten delivery. Hillary is one candidate I would never tell to lighten up. She doesn't do it well.|
|The real problem was...||DougSloan|
Jan 8, 2004 7:49 AM
|the joke didn't even make sense. Ever been to a gas station in St. Louis? I hate to stereotype, too, but I'd bet there was only about a 1% chance the employee would be East Indian.
|No kidding. I just scratched my head. nm||OldEdScott|
Jan 8, 2004 8:29 AM
|So maybe she wasn't stereotyping at all. (nm)||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 10:36 AM
|then that just makes her look stupid nm||DougSloan|
Jan 8, 2004 10:41 AM
Jan 8, 2004 10:48 AM
Jan 8, 2004 10:52 AM
|She said she was "making a lame attempt at a joke," or something like that. As far as I can tell, for there to be a joke, she *must* have been drawing upon common knowledge of a stereotype. That's how some jokes work. So, if she was not stereotyping, then what the heck was she doing? It doesn't even make any sense, then.
|There is another kind of joke.||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 11:28 AM
|The kind where you emphasize something by under- or miss-stating it to ludicrous effect.
1. Lance Armstrong? Didn't he win the Indy 500? No, he is one of the most successful and well known professional cyclists of all time.
2. We all know Albert Einstein and enjoy his game show, Win Albert Einstein's Money.
3. Isaac Newton is most well known for napping under fruit trees.
4. Al Gore, the famous fashion maverick who made earth tones cool. . .
Funny? Matter of taste. Joke? Obviously. Was Gandhi some local schmo? LOL, of course not silly! He is one of the most respected men of the 20th century!
|understood, but then she needs a better joke writer nm||DougSloan|
Jan 8, 2004 11:31 AM
|Lame jokes can be nonetheless endearing.||czardonic|
Jan 8, 2004 11:47 AM
|It is the people who could only interpret her remarks as hypocritical stereotyping that I wonder about.|| |