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I have been listening to the Dem debate on NPR(21 posts)

I have been listening to the Dem debate on NPRmoneyman
Jan 6, 2004 1:02 PM
And it reaffirms my faith in my choice to be a Republican. There is no way any one of these people represents my views on any of the subjects discussed. From a purely political standpoint, I have no use for any of them. But then, they're not trying to get MY vote, are they?

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You probably react the same way I do when IOldEdScott
Jan 6, 2004 1:16 PM
hear Sean Hannity in a radio circle jerk with Newt Gingrich and Zell Miller. Sounds like an alien race, doesn't it?
I don't knowmoneyman
Jan 6, 2004 1:28 PM
I don't care much for Sean Hannity or Newt, Zell Miller I kind of like. But the Gang of Nine? They were falling all over each other as to how tolerant they were of everyone BUT Republicans, how they were THE best qualified to take the job, how religions they are (John Kerry - {paraphrasing} "I was brought up in church but I never let church influence my political decisions." Can he have it both ways? An agnostic believer?) and how awful, simply AWFUL, the Bush administration has been.

Given my choice between your Sean, Newt et. al. or the Gang of Nine, I would probably .... turn the radio off.

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Bush's religious sanctimony must really make you retch. (nm)czardonic
Jan 6, 2004 1:30 PM
The difference...moneyman
Jan 6, 2004 2:00 PM
Bush's "Religious sanctimony" is, I believe, not sanctimonious at all, but genuine. The Gang of Nine, excluding perhaps Lieberman, would more closely fit your description of my reaction.

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Funny how the "difference" corresponds to your politics. (nm)czardonic
Jan 6, 2004 2:09 PM
Well, what would you have wanted to hear them say....Starliner
Jan 6, 2004 2:18 PM
What is your suspicion about their beliefs? What could they have said that you would have accepted and believed?

i "No, I don't believe in God..."

i "I like to go to church on Sunday because it's a good cover for the sh#tty things I do during the week..."

i "I have faith in a Supreme Being, and frequently throughout my life honor that belief..."

i "I believe in God, but I find large, organized religious blocs to be too dogmatic and rigid to be relevant in my life..."

i ______________________(you may fill in the blank)
Any one of those would have been acceptable....moneyman
Jan 6, 2004 2:46 PM
As long as it was honest. I don't believe their responses were honest. Perhaps my ears were tainted with my own prejudices, but none of them sounded as though there was any conviction to their beliefs.

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"As long as it was honest."czardonic
Jan 6, 2004 2:53 PM
Well, politicians will be politicians. Not being the religious type, I don't tend to get too fired up about phony appeals to piety.

It is the dishonesty that gets hundreds of American soldiers killed and thousands wounded -- along with uncounted thousands of Iraqis -- that bug me. Or the dishonesty that protects an Administration from the reprecussions of being asleep at the wheel when thousands of civilians are murdered.

But it is no news that people of different political stripes have different priorities.
Seems like old timesmoneyman
Jan 6, 2004 3:11 PM
Still can't stick to the subject at hand, can you? Seems you want to interject your hatred of Bush into (nearly) every item you post.

While much of what you disagree with lends itself to credible argument, your statement about being "asleep at the wheel" is mystifying. Not sure which civilians you mean - Iraqi? US? Afhghan? Iranian?

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I thought the subjects. . .czardonic
Jan 6, 2004 3:21 PM
. . .(as interjected by you) were politics, genuineness and honesty. Say, Is it also "hatred" to discuss the failings of the Democrats in these respects?

I guess now that your man has locked up the villan responsible for 9/11 you have put the event behind you.
extremists now, but moderates come general election, I bet nmDougSloan
Jan 6, 2004 1:34 PM
This is truly a sad day for us Dumocrats.Dale Brigham
Jan 6, 2004 1:43 PM
We seem to have irrevocably lost $$man's vote. And I thought we were so close in getting you to come over to our side, $$. I know Old Ed, czar, and dr. hoo personally invested lots of time in this apparently vain effort. Alas, all is lost.

Tell me, if you don't mind, what was the deal-breaker? Is there anything we can do to get you to rethink your position?

Dale
Snowmobiles in Yellowstonemoneyman
Jan 6, 2004 1:57 PM
To a person, they were all opposed to them. For my take on this subject, see: http://forums.consumerreview.com/crforum?viewall@@.efe0d40

Thanks for your concern.

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Hey, I'm with you on that one, $$Dale Brigham
Jan 6, 2004 2:23 PM
And I said so back when we mulled it around. I think regulation, education, and enforcement is the compromise solution in this case. Quieter, less-polluting machines, staying on the roads, not spooking the critters. Maybe restrict access to tour groups guided by permitted outfitters (not an uncommon practice for activities in Nat'l Parks).

I actually have felt the wrath of anti-snowmobile eco-nazis (just joking there; I'm a bit of an eco-nazi, myself!) way back in the 80's when I was in a nordic ski racing club, setting track on Cumbres Pass (NM-CO border) before a race. After a few tough hours of track setting (my job was to shovel down high spots and fill in low spots), which mainly involves pulling a weighted sledge behind a snowmobile to pack snow for the ski trail, we found a note on our truck, which decried the spoiling of the pristine wilderness with our foul machine. I saw their point, but I saw us as just a transient nuisance, which made the race possible for dozens of cross-country skiers. I guess it all depends on your perspective.

Dale
Rangers in respirators, the true wilderness experience...Cory
Jan 6, 2004 8:23 PM
Well, OK, the pollution bothers me a little. But I spent 20 years racing and testing cars, so I can't really complain about that. But what REALLY bothers me is snowmo guys chasing wildlife. I live about a mile from the Toiyabe National Forest, which connects to the Tahoe NF and the Tahoe Basin. I've found miles of snowmobile tracks over the tracks of deer and coyotes, which are already hammered around here from loss of habitat. I'm sure it's a small percentage of users, but it's pretty hard to see the fun in running a deer to death.
Snowmobilers caught chasing wildlife should be strung up...Dale Brigham
Jan 7, 2004 8:31 AM
...on a barbed wire fence.

Dale
Don't think that all idiots are resigned to snowmobiling...No_sprint
Jan 7, 2004 8:36 AM
If you want to take out idiots, I'm sure there are other places where masses of idiots gather and can be had more easily, let's start with say, the DNC headquarters, maybe the Rainbow Coalition offices? :)
I did NOT say most snowmobilers are idiots.Dale Brigham
Jan 7, 2004 9:22 AM
I think most snow machine folks are just fine people who love to get out and enjoy the snow and their machines. And, crack open a few brewskis.

No, as a cross-country ski snob, I withhold my deepest, sneering contempt for lift-served skiers. What, ya'll can't walk up that big ol' hill under your own power? Boo-hoo!

Dale (Just kidding, y'all! I [heart] ride 'n sliders!)
I'm one of those lift riders!No_sprint
Jan 7, 2004 9:31 AM
However, I prefer Alta (skiis only, no boards and retro type pricing). No boardin' slider liker here. I also prefer to ride the golf cart rather than walk!
I volunteer to bring the string.128
Jan 7, 2004 8:46 AM
However, with adequate management (impact study, trails) and appropriate machines (quiet, no animal friends abused) I say let 'em rip.