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Who REALLY has to worry now that SH is singingmoneyman
Dec 16, 2003 2:40 PM
The French, Germans and Russians. Suddenly two of the three are willing to overlook a great deal of Iraqi debt. (

I have to wonder what Saddam knows about these fine allies that may be a bit ... incriminating. My guess is that Mr. Putin falls in line right quick.

Are you freakin' kidding?czardonic
Dec 16, 2003 2:51 PM
That's a nice picture of Rumsfeldmoneyman
Dec 16, 2003 3:15 PM
And its pretty old. Its also common knowledge about the relationship between the US and SH during the Iran/Iraq war. Lesser of two evils, doncha know.

What the French, Germans and Russians should worry about is the support they may or may not have given SH in the last 12 years, which, coincidentally, is the same time frame that the UN had inspectors in Iraq. But you already knew that, didn't you.

Nice tactic, by the way, of deflecting the question by changing the subject.

You have some screwed up priorities, my man.czardonic
Dec 16, 2003 3:30 PM
Saddam committed his most heinous crimes against humanity during the period that he was supported by the United States. It is Reagan/GHWB's "lesser of two evils" who gassed the Kurds and Iranians and invaded Kuwait.

But to you, these are deflections. To you, the real scandal is that other countries may or may not have done business him when UN resolutions prohibited them from doing so.
Let's stay on task here, please.moneyman
Dec 16, 2003 3:45 PM
The question had to do with Russia, France and Germany and their actions in the post Gulf War period and why they are suddenly so willing to forgive billions in Iraqi debt. If you'd like to start another thread dealing with pre Gulf War Iraq, you have my permission to do so.

Oh, but I am.czardonic
Dec 16, 2003 4:10 PM
My point is that nobody has a higher interest in washing the "common knowledge" off of its hands than the US. Thus, as far as the threat of incriminating information, France, Germany and Russia have relatively little to fear. (Not that there aren't plenty of Americans who would rather get worked up over the last 12 years than deal with their own complicity in Saddam's reign of terror.)

Russia, France and Germany aren't going to get that money anyway -- so there is no reason not to take the high road and forgive the debt.
You keep dusting that photo off, dontcha ?HouseMoney
Dec 16, 2003 4:17 PM
You must be a hoot on the tin-foil-hat circuit!

Ignorance is bliss, my friend, so you must be one happy little Marxist!
You keep trying to bury it. (nm)czardonic
Dec 16, 2003 4:28 PM
Is he singing?Dwayne Barry
Dec 16, 2003 2:59 PM
I thought he wasn't providing info., but rather documents captured with him were what had led to an intelligence windfall?
He's singin'..."I am woman, hear me roar." ;-)~ nmsn69
Dec 16, 2003 3:07 PM
I agree in principle, but ...Live Steam
Dec 16, 2003 3:11 PM
I don't believe he will say much of anything. He knows he has no chips to play. They aren't going to negotiate with him. He is going to be put to death. Why would he tell anyone anything? He had the opportunity before the war to leave in exile. He had that one and only chance to save his skin. Now the jigs up and he knows it.

However, I do believe the French et al are somewhat worried, hence their new found agreeable attitude toward the US. Yes they are a self serving lot. How reprehensible! LOL!!!!!!
Just wait53T
Dec 16, 2003 5:01 PM
I can only imagine the French and Italian press when they start to release details of the French "Oil for Money" program of the last 10 years. I don't know if the US press has the stomach for that kind of stuff.
Death penaltyfiltersweep
Dec 16, 2003 6:29 PM
I have a co-worker who is so liberal it is shameful and I was shocked to hear her go on about her pro-death penalty views.

She had worked a few years in a prison out west and reached the conclusion that it is more HUMANE to put some of these prisoners out of their misery. It is a perspective I had never considered.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread...
pre-gulf war discussions.rufus
Dec 16, 2003 8:31 PM
would be interesting to hear what he has to say about what the US said to him during that time. it's also common knowledge that the US ambassador told him that the US took no position on his border dispute with kuwait, a statement that saddam interpreted to mean that he could do whatever he wanted without fear of reprisal.

obviously, things turned out differently, but what else might have been said over the years in order for him to have formed that opinion?