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Could Dean help de-wussify lefties?(36 posts)

Could Dean help de-wussify lefties?gtx
Dec 12, 2003 9:39 AM
One thing that really gets old is the right's portrayal of the left as a bunch of wimps. I realize that Dean isn't exactly an uber liberal, but do you think his seemingly unapologetic stance on gay marriage and Iraq could perhaps help turn the tide here? Of course, it's all about the spin, but do you think Dean could spin these issues back at the right? I figure the right calling the left wusses is like non-cyclists calling roadies wimps (or something else) because they shave their legs.
You been listenin to Mudcat SaundersOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 9:48 AM
And I THINK Dean has too, though he's been kind of tone deaf with it.

Appropriate Mudcat-ism (and I think Dean could say it): "I don't give a DAMN if you have a house full of guns, that's fine with me, I know you boys love to hunt, and I tell you one more thing, unlike the Republicans, I'm gonna make sure you have lots of woods to hunt in and lots of game to kill, and lots of fish you can catch with your sons too, 'cause I'm gonna protect your countryside instead of poisoning it so my fat cat friends can get richer."

Dean could say that and be authentic, I think. Sipping a Busch Light and wearing a big '3' on his T-shirt.
now THAT is some good freakin' spin OldEd...shawndoggy
Dec 12, 2003 10:21 AM
That's precisely what we need to hear out here in Nevada. Excellent. I think he'll need to be wearing a cowboy hat & Wranglers out here, though, and I'm not so sure he's going to look comfortable doing that (Dukakis in tank ring a bell?).

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Tell me how to say it right.OldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 10:29 AM
Ne-VAH-da is wrong, right?
Is this right: Ne-vadda. Now do Oregon! nm128
Dec 12, 2003 10:43 AM
I do Oregon "Organ." nmOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:00 AM
Judges?? nmb (I say incorrect)128
Dec 12, 2003 11:26 AM
Southern boys do VER-mont. Like IN-surance. Tellit broTellit! nm128
Dec 12, 2003 10:45 AM
POLL: Is the capital of Kentucky pronouncedOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:06 AM
'LouiS-ville' or 'Lou-ee-ville' or 'Lou-AH-ville'?

This question always killed on Hollywood Squares.
Southern-"Nor-lands", Yankee-"New-OR-leans" nmDave Hickey
Dec 12, 2003 11:17 AM
ANSWER Pronouncedmoneyman
Dec 12, 2003 11:18 AM
Lekx-ing-tongue, right?

$$ (I have a niece who lives in Lou-AH-ville)
HA HA HA HA! Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! WRONG!OldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:20 AM
This question is a KILLER, I tell you.
It was Frankfort, when I was in 4th grade anyway...TJeanloz
Dec 12, 2003 11:24 AM
Maybe you've changed it since then. I have no idea how you yokels pronounce it, however.
I'll have my 86 year old grandmother call you from workOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:27 AM
to tell you.
Aw man! Wut the? Darn Southern Democratic operative... nm128
Dec 12, 2003 11:30 AM
That would be SOTHRON Dem operative. nmOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:56 AM
Duh! another empty square.moneyman
Dec 12, 2003 12:30 PM
And I had a minor in Geography. Ouch.

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Paul Lynd for the win: Lou-AH-ville?? nm128
Dec 12, 2003 11:25 AM
Paul Lynd for the win: Lou-AH-ville?? nmOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:30 AM
-- I agree, Chuck!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!

-- Oh, WRONG! It's pronounced .... Frank-fert. X gets the square!
- - Do I still get a copy of the home game?? nm128
Dec 12, 2003 11:36 AM
Among other lovely parting gifts. nmOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:40 AM
I thought it was Lou-vulle, no AH. (nm)Turtleherder
Dec 12, 2003 11:41 AM
You onto something now, TH.OldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:53 AM
A true native, who will speak at all moments if he has a mouth full of grits, will indeed swallow all the middle syllables so it comes out sounding like Lou-vulle. Actually it will be mush-mouthed to the point that it's just a rumble starting vaguely with an L and ending with an L, with a hint of an ooo in between. LoooL. We can't be bothered to bring our lips together to form the V.

But, in theory at least, the 'correct' pronunciation is LOO-AH-VUL, with only a HINT of an accent on the first syllable.
Reminds me of a story...moneyman
Dec 12, 2003 12:28 PM
Comrades OldEdScott and czardonic were having an ice cream cone while visiting the largest city in Kentucky when a dispute erupted between the two true believers. OES insisted that the city was properly pronounced "LOO-AH-VUL", while in between licks of his cone czardonic siad "No, comrade. Its pronounced LOO-ISS-VILL." The two of them argued for a while, at times threatening to hit each other with their copies of Das Kapital, when that Yankee Imperialist Live Steam happened upon the scene. OES and czardonic figures that Live Steam could be an indpendent arbiter and poses the question to him. "Steam," intoned OES, "How do you pronounce this place where we're at?" Live Steam thought for a moment and replied "Day-ree-queen"

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So where's the joke here?OldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 12:36 PM
Steam is NORMALLY about that far off base when he answers a question! :O)
yeah, he proved his savvy with southerners already (nm)bill105
Dec 12, 2003 11:43 AM
That makes the assumption that the Leftmoneyman
Dec 12, 2003 11:00 AM
Is made up of wussies. And that the Right believes it. Neither, I believe, are true.

My experience is that those on the left are certainly passionate about their politics and are not afraid to tell the world so. There is nothing cowardly about them, but rather dedication to their cause. Where it appears they are somewhat less "manly" than the right is their general objection to using violence and warfare to solve a problem. That, in a historical sense, has proven to be very positive trait and has helped to moderate some rather aggresive posturing by the right. I don't for a moment believe the Left is wussified at all.

Additionally, the moment the Right believes the Left is weak and unthreating, the Left will go for the throat and fill the halls of government.

I don't agree (mostly) with those of the Left persuasion, but I would not call them "wussies" by any stretch of the imagination.

And Dean? I don't think of him as tough and manly. I think of him as rude, churlish, and vindictive. I don't think he puts a good light on the Dems at all. I'd rather see a man of integrity and strength, like Joe Lieberman, be the candidate. I would even consider voting for him.

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This man lies. We ARE wussies.OldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 11:24 AM
We're tree-hugging panty wastes, and y'all should just pay us no mind. Get on with looting the national treasury, or whatever it is you wanted to get elected to do, and we'll just talk quietly among ourselves ...
"Rude, churlish, and vindictive" -- That's our guy!Dale Brigham
Dec 12, 2003 12:01 PM
Sure beats polite, compliant, and obedient, which was the masterful strategerie Our Glorious Party employed in the 2002 elections. Look how far that got us. As the old saying goes, if voters have a choice between a Republican and a Democrat acting like a Republican, they'll choose the Republican every time.

I like Lieberman, too, but drastic times call for drastic measures. The brilliance of the Repubs is how far they go to energize their base, which carries over to an energized center. I'm hoping Dean will energize our base and bring some of that enthusiasm over to the center. As much as I like Lieberman, I just don't see him being able to pull that off. But, I'll pass your suggestion on to Party Headquarters, $$. Thanks for caring!

Within the last week's newspaper columns, George Will has asserted that Dean ain't a real thinker and Charles Krauthammer can't figgur out why we mulish Dems don't unconditionally love the President (i.e., we are simply burning with irrational hatred). When I see these Administration surrogates so clearly misreading the tea leaves, I have a bit of hope in my heart for next November.

Dale
Yeah Dale! The Democrat wing of the Democratic PartyOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 12:07 PM
is about to rear up on its hind legs and fight! Although, being pantywaste wussies and all, we'll probably just scratch and bite.

Still, with the right strategerie a housecat can send a Rottweiler running, with one well-place swipe. I'm looking forward to the contest.
Dean does look a bit like my cat, Little Red. Hmmm...Dale Brigham
Dec 12, 2003 12:19 PM
Stocky and pugnacious, like he's itchin' fer a brawl. Kinda' has a scowl on his face, but gets all lovey and dopey when he's warm and happy.

Question: Do you think Dean kills squirrels and/or is afraid of ceiling fans? I just want to know how far I can take this.

Dale
Red? RED? Your cat is named RED ... Comrade? nmOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2003 12:34 PM
Only a Little Red, actually. Just like his dad (me). nmDale Brigham
Dec 12, 2003 1:00 PM
lieberman? kee-rissstt!!!rufus
Dec 12, 2003 4:46 PM
he's been running a couple of ads up here in NH, and damned if the guy is about the most uninspiring public speaker i've ever heard. he sounds like the alarm just went off and he hasn't woken up enough to crawl out of bed yet.

not to mention in one of the ads, addresing the deficit, he says "if we don't do something soon, the republicans are gonna wipe out the whole social security trust fund..." like anybody who knows anything thinks that money is just sitting there in a big vault, and bush is going in every day and wheeling out another truck load. that money doesn't even exist, and everyone knows it. you aren't gonna get too far addressing the public as if they were four-year-olds.

at least dean on the stump talks as if he actually wants the nomination, shows a little passion and determination to go after it. the rest of them are a giant snooze-fest. "well, you know, yeah, i'd like to be president, i think i can really make a difference". yawwwwnn!
Nice try!czardonic
Dec 12, 2003 5:26 PM
Lieberman indeed.
Impossible. Wussies forever. nmNo_sprint
Dec 15, 2003 8:13 AM