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Hope for the yutes of America!(14 posts)

Hope for the yutes of America!bill105
Dec 9, 2003 7:22 AM
The Dow touched 10,000 this morning, and now this. It just keeps getting worse for the Dems. A whole generation of help for the right wing. God love those little Bushies.,2933,105216,00.html

It may surprise some people to learn that today's American teenagers have more conservative views than older generations on prayer in schools and abortion.

A brand new Gallup Organization (search) study and another out of the University of California at Berkeley (search) found that teens are more likely to be in favor of government restrictions on abortion and prayer during official school activities.

The findings mark a departure from the perception of teens as more progressive and liberal than adults, especially during protest-filled decades like the 1960s and '70s.

The Berkeley study suggests that while 59 percent of adults 27 to 59 want public schools to permit prayer at commencements and other official activities, 69 percent of teens support prayer during official school events.

And while 34 percent of respondents older than 26 supported government restrictions on abortion, 44 percent of those aged 15 to 22 and 32 percent of those 23 to 26 said they supported limitations.
proof that brainwashing works (nm)ColnagoFE
Dec 9, 2003 8:11 AM
proof that brainwashing works (nm)bill105
Dec 9, 2003 8:13 AM
i agree, they needed a good scrubbing.
Dec 9, 2003 8:39 AM
What's not to say that teens become more liberal as they grow older?
i guess they could..bill105
Dec 9, 2003 9:17 AM
but most grow older and have children. i think you become less liberal and more conservative with children. i know some dont, but its been my experience and my friends experience that thats what happens.
the trend tends to be that people are most liberal at...dr hoo
Dec 9, 2003 10:32 AM
... about 21, junior year in college. They start to become more conservative thereafter. Something to do with having to work for their money, I think.

However, on other measures youth are getting more liberal. For example, attitudes about homosexuals tend to be MUCH more liberal among young people than older ones. And that goes for campus republicans and democrats alike.
How do you measure it?filtersweep
Dec 9, 2003 2:35 PM
I went to a private university in the late 80s- if you were Jewish, forget about getting into a regular fraternity- and if you were black (as we called it back then) they had their own houses. If you were Asian? You were an "international student." I'd never seen antisemitism before- and in college no less (not that I'm Jewish... or that there is anything wrong with that...).

These same WASPish clean-cut, well-scrubbed, buttoned-down boys and girls were totally coking it up every weekend, cruising around in their Beemer convertibles and wasting daddy's money before being set up in business post-college. If you ever saw the movie "Rules of Attraction," I'd suggest it is dead-on accurate- and considering the author I'd offer that it really was set in the 80s ;)

I never saw a pregnant sorority student, although I knew many students that had abortions while in college. I'm sure they are all pro-life now, out of guilt, if for nothing else.

Actually, all the faculty were atheist Marxists, except in the business and law schools- they were, in fact, more liberal than the young-Republican student body. When Jesse Jackson was scheduled to speak, it was cancelled due to a bomb threat (no lie) !

Try as they might, the faculty could do little to liberalize those with a background of wealth and privilege. I'm sure these traits are absorbed from their parents. I'd almost argue that the "popular kids" in high school might come from wealthier families and thus more conservative traits are promoted.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, there are those religious fanatics that will simply be conservative, no matter what other socio-economic traits they possess- and these fanatics seem to be growing in number.

Bottom line: I'm not surprised.
Not sure of the measures.dr hoo
Dec 9, 2003 3:25 PM
Questions about social issues, taxes, etc. is my assumption.

Bomb threat in the late 80's? You didn't go to Drake did you? There was one of those there, where some weirdo student paper op-ed guy called in a bomb threat.... FROM HIS OWN ROOM. Moron.
Not sure of the measures.filtersweep
Dec 9, 2003 4:57 PM
Ah, yeah, Drake, class of 90. Did you go there? And yes, that guy was a complete moron...
Peggy's sucks! West End breakfast rules!!!!!dr hoo
Dec 9, 2003 5:21 PM
That's a yes, a year ahead of you.

I was through the area a few years ago, and was amazed at the amount of building they have done. New basketball arena, new law school and all. I read about them as they happened, but seeing it in person was another thing entirely. I guess Ferrari or whatever his name was did his fundraising job!

Ah, the memories. And the lost memories too. Good times.
Peggy's sucks! West End breakfast rules!!!!!filtersweep
Dec 9, 2003 5:36 PM
Now I feel old- $.25 "taps" on Tues at Peggys... but yes, it did suck. Listening to West End Girls over and over on the juke box at West End... Actually, those were more the spots to go when I was underage. I was more partial to Maggie Malones when it was open, or the Laughing Iguana, or Baggs, or any of the other venues with a bit more "local flavor."

And yes, his name WAS Ferrari- go figure.

Do you live in "Chicagoland" like all the other alumuni? I headed to Minneapolis following school.

I returned once after I left- and that was to see a former girlfriend, but it was within a year of graduation, so nothing really changed. I really can't say that I have much of a desire to return... and I really don't stay in touch with many classmates anymore.
Baggs? Iguana? Were you..... cool?dr hoo
Dec 9, 2003 6:10 PM
I went to felix and oscars for my underage drinking, they never carded. Of course, with the drinking age of 19 when I was there, I wasn't underage for long.

I don't stay in touch with many people either. I did for a while, since I played softball in grad school with a high school friend of my college roomate (small world, eh?). We stopped by to look at things a few years ago on our way home from an MTB trip out west, but Des Moines is just too darn full of insurance types for my taste. Good school, not a great town.

Bike rides up to Sailorville Res. were nice though.

I moved around a lot for a while, but ended up in Eau Claire, so we are practically neighbors. We have a place that has $.35 happy hour taps of Berghoff, so that's kind of like Peg's... without the greeks.

Shoot me a line at dochoomtb at hot mail dot com if you want, and I'll get back to you from my "real" account. Maybe one of these times when I get to the cities we can get together and talk of the old place. Heck, you might have been in class with me or my wife (a year behind you).
Baggs? Iguana? Were you..... cool?filtersweep
Dec 10, 2003 7:12 AM
I'll shoot you an email...

I probably wasn't the typical Drake student... something about being on academic scholarships rather than academic probation and I tended to stand out just a bit. Odds are you probably saw me.

Saylorville... that brings back memories. The economy wasn't very kind when I graduated. I attended a bunch of interview, then a few months later, when all of my stuff was loaded into a moving truck, I received a phone call offering me a job with... an insurance company. I haven't spent too much time pining over "what might have been."

BTW- when the Clinton "scandal" hit, one of "our classmates" made the news. Andy Bleiler, with whom I was in a little jazzy fusion 3-piece band my freshman year, was all over the news describing an affair he had with a student of his out in California: Monica Lewinsky. Talk about a small world.
And not a minute too soon! Those abortions that were going onbicyclerepairman
Dec 9, 2003 9:43 PM
during official school activities were making it really hard to hear the R.O.T.C. recruiter!