|Thank God for President Bush and prayer in schools!||ColnagoFE|
Dec 1, 2003 8:54 AM
|Let's get religion back into the public schools. God knows we need His help. Once we accomplish this goal maybe we can then address such atrocities like gay marriage. God bless the USA!|
Dec 1, 2003 9:11 AM
|In my insightful post below, I explain that the only true Community Service is Fundementalist Christian Evangelism. The best place to start is the public schools. This is a Christian nation. We need to teach the Truth of the Bible in our schools. This includes Creationism and reality of Hell. If we don't follow God's law and punish those homosexuals, God will destroy this nation with fire and brimstone like He, in His infinite wisdom, destroyed Sodom and Gemorrha.|
|With Bush in the White House, prayer ANYWHERE helps.||Cory|
Dec 1, 2003 9:27 AM
|As is usually the case, though, nobody answers the question of what to do about the 20 percent or so of kids who aren't Christians (don't know the percentage nationally, but that's about what it is here). Do we force them to participate in prayer to a god they don't follow, or send them out of the room, or line them up and shoot them as heathens, or what?|
Dec 1, 2003 9:36 AM
|People can pray anywhere *but* school aloud, and can pray all day long while at school if they do so silently. What, God doesn't listen if you don't speak the words? He can't read minds? The only excuse for verbalized prayer in schools is to influence, indoctrinate, or intimidate other people. There is no genuine justification for it, particularly if the parents are encouraging whatever religious practices they choose while the kids are not in school. Simply no need for it.
|Name one kid who's ever been hurt by a prayer.||OldEdScott|
Dec 1, 2003 9:44 AM
|From what I've seen of kids these days, they could USE a little prayer.
I don't really care what Hindoos or Moslems or freakin Zoroastrians do while our kids are praying. Just sit quietly and respectfully for 30 seconds till it's over, just like I would do and HAVE done when I'm in one of their countries and they start praying. Not that big a deal.
Liberals always want to make something out of nothing.
|the Constitution does not require injury to be enforced||DougSloan|
Dec 1, 2003 9:54 AM
|The Constitution is enforceable regardless of showing that someone is "hurt". Conversely, can you show someone who was hurt from *not* having (out loud) prayer in schools? What, you can't talk to God before or after school? Does he keep bankers' hours?|
|The Constitution says the free exercise of religion shall||OldEdScott|
Dec 1, 2003 10:00 AM
|not be prohibited either, but that doesn't seem to concern you libs much. Unless it's some Hindoo or Sunni tribesmen wanting to do a religio-sexual snake dance in the town square. THEN you're all for free exercise.
Funny how you Left-types only read in the Constitution what you WANT to read. I bet I'd get a real chuckle out of your take on the 2nd Amendment.
|Don't make fun of our snake-handling bretheren! ...nm||bicyclerepairman|
Dec 1, 2003 4:14 PM
|This proves your not really a Southerner!....nm||bicyclerepairman|
Dec 1, 2003 4:18 PM
|In my role as a right winger, I was talking about||OldEdScott|
Dec 2, 2003 9:59 AM
|Hindoo foreigners and snake charmers. NOT my Christian Southron brothers and sisters who choose to worship with reptiles.|
Dec 1, 2003 10:29 AM
|When I was in 5th grade, we had a kid in our class||Dave Hickey|
Dec 1, 2003 10:58 AM
|that for religious reasons, wouldn't say the pledge("one nation under god"). He just sat in his seat while the rest of us said the pledge every morning. Nobody threatened him, it wasn't the lead story on Fox news, and the ACLU didn't get involved. I guess we handled things differently 35 years ago.|
|When I was in 5th grade, we had a kid in our class||Dave Hickey|
Dec 1, 2003 11:01 AM
|LOL, I forgot what today is......|
|Thousands die over prayer conflict||53T|
Dec 1, 2003 11:30 AM
|Where should I begin?
Christians fed to lions.
The Spanish Inquisition.
The North of Ireland.
The entire middle east.
The fight to separate church and state is the fight to separate fact and fiction. We cannot and will not tollerate voodoo, witchcraft and other supernatural "religions" in our public institutions.
|Which is fact, and which is fiction? nm||Steve98501|
Dec 1, 2003 4:44 PM
|Did I miss the memo about Opposites Day?||Cory|
Dec 1, 2003 12:26 PM
|My concern, for the probably shockingly large number of people who will ask this question seriously, is for the kids who are, what's the term these days, "marginalized" by the whole ritual of prayer. These are tough times for anyone who doesn't march in lockstep anyway, and being singled out as Not A Christian, seems to me, could lead to discrimination.
It's not that big a deal for guy in his 50s, but kids can be very cruel. They're also pretty sensitive to being set apart from the crowd, and not all teachers/youth leaders/scoutmasters/whatever are geniuses.
Only comparison I can think of offhand is a relative who had a big port-wine stain birthmark on his face. He's had it mostly removed as an adult, but the technology wasn't available when he was a kid. He was identified all through school as The One With The Thing. Nobody should be ridiculed or set apart, in the United States, for his or her religious beliefs, and I think there's a more-than-significant chance that would happen in today's political climate.
|It's more Me than I wanna be...||rwbadley|
Dec 1, 2003 1:07 PM
|and I owe it all to Doug Sloan for this turn of view ;-)|
Dec 1, 2003 1:57 PM
Dec 1, 2003 9:42 AM
|you always needed prayer. it just took a president with a backbone and the courage to do what he tought was right to remind you.|
|Backbone and Courage is certainly the definition of the Bush..||rwbadley|
Dec 1, 2003 10:20 AM
I fail to see how literate, reasoning individuals can fail to see this. I am appalled this seperation of church and state has been taken to the extreme we see today. With so much evildoing going on in the world, we all should say a daily prayer for the terrorists to one day realize we only have their best interests at heart.
When we have decided how best their country should be admistered, they really should relax and enjoy their new found freedoms and luxuries we provide.
|Backbone and Courage is certainly the definition of the Bush..||bill105|
Dec 1, 2003 10:29 AM
|as opposed to waiting on them to come to the U.S. and kill us all for not supporting their one true religion. Or waiting until they have the means and intent to murder us.|
|As always. bill105's intelligence shines though, or||OldEdScott|
Dec 1, 2003 10:35 AM
|should I say cuts through, the bullshyt. :O) We'll all be speaking Farsi if Bush isn't re-elected (if we're alive to speak anything at all) and Podium Chick Friday will be, like, wow, can you imagine what she looks like under that bhurka? :O)|
|Civilization will end if U.S. keeps making pre-emptive strikes||Continental|
Dec 1, 2003 10:49 AM
|The United States is breaking International law in this so-called war on terror. The entire system of International Diplomacy is on the brink of collapse because the Bush Adminstration did not get France, Germany, Russia, and the U.N. to approve the attack on Iraq. All Bush cares about is oil money. Cheney is behind the whole thing. The Neocons want to take over all of the Middle East. None of the hijackers were Iraqis. Saddam Hussein is a bad man, but he's no worse than many other leaders and posed no threat to the U.S. It's all about oil. We should get out of Iraq immediateley. U.S. out of Iraq! U.S. out of Iraq!|
|No it won't. And Rumsfeld provides a compelling argument why||128|
Dec 1, 2003 11:22 AM
|I know our foreign policy can be hard to understand, so I turn to these words for clarity and strength. Maybe you'll find them helpful too:
"Reports that say something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know,"
"We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." -Rumsfeld
Dec 1, 2003 1:05 PM
|we dont need france or anybody else to tell us its ok to protect ourselves, pre-emptively or not. the un, a useless money hole of a corrupt, morally ass backward organization if there ever was one, authorized the use of force. the other pansy nations sat this one out because they are the ones with the multi billion dollar contracts with iraq, some legal, some not. by the way, in iraq 1 we had 37 other nations with us, in this one we had 35. so go peddle your "world conspiracy/cheney for oil/big coporation" bs somwhere else.|
|The beauty of the U.S. pre-emptive strike . . .||Steve98501|
Dec 1, 2003 4:50 PM
|. . . is that the Bush administration has given the world permission to pre-emptively strike the U.S.A. for any imaginary threat they perceive from us.|
Dec 2, 2003 6:41 AM
|the 19 terriorists beat us to it|
|The terrorists . . .||Steve98501|
Dec 2, 2003 11:17 AM
|. . . were not a sovereign nation. Iraq was. The U.S. was. When one sovereign pre-emptively strikes another, the rules of international engagement can be considered changed. And it's a two-way street.|
|The terrorists . . .||bill105|
Dec 2, 2003 11:50 AM
|the world has bad people in it who want to harm us. the rules changed when 4 airplanes were used to attack us. the world has been put on notice, rightfully so, that if you harbor, collaborate with or give comfort to the organization thats harms us, you will be held accountable. iraq is a story we can argue about all day. the wmd are hid there or in syria, traces are everywhere. collaboration is going to be proven between al qaeda and iraq. the resolution to use force was passed by the un. 35 nations, only 2 less than the last iraq war, signed on and are helping us. france, germany and russia helped and assisted iraq behind our backs militarily during sanctions they approved and these are our allies? youre right, the world has changed and i'm glad its being delat with the way it is instead of a liberal apologist wanting to give the bad guys hugs and invite them to cook outs.|
|Parent to the world is a thankless job.||Spoiler|
Dec 1, 2003 11:38 AM
|But you've got to realize, we've been around for over 200 years. Countries like Iraq, Iran, etc haven't been around that long, so they can benefit from our superior experience.
They must learn that when we invade a country, we expect to be greeted with enthusiasm and appreciation. We held up our end of the bargain by transforming Iraq from a country terrorized by a single man, into a country terrorized by
many more men.
I tell you, if I had an only son, I'd wouldn't hesitate to send him off into the fun. It's about time our country lost a few thousand soldiers. It builds character. And if we forget why we're over there, we can always fall back on the strategy of fighting for the sake of revenge.
|Would like to see Bush assasinated -- peace, brothers! (nm)||hrv|
Dec 1, 2003 10:39 AM
|You're in trouble now...ever heard of "Carnivore"?||ColnagoFE|
Dec 1, 2003 10:55 AM
|If it exists you may be getting a visit from your friendly Secret Service officer.|
|re: If you want creationism and the bible taught to YOUR kids||jrm|
Dec 1, 2003 10:52 AM
|Then send um to private school. Otherwise the FICTION and two dimensional Ontology of the Bible has no place in public schools.|
|Heathen!...burn in Hell (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Dec 1, 2003 10:57 AM
Dec 1, 2003 11:13 AM
|Finally, a voice of reason -- good job, jrm! (nm)||hrv|
Dec 1, 2003 1:37 PM