|bush in Iraq||Bill B|
Nov 28, 2003 2:37 AM
|Don't like the guy much but I've got to give it to him, he's got presidential chops. The impromtu speech from the rubble pile after 9/11, throwing out the first pitch at the world series when he should have been in seclusion and now showing up in a combat zone. He knows the importance of leading from the front. I just hope he knows where he's takung us.|
|re: Bush in Iraq||Bill B|
Nov 28, 2003 2:53 AM
|Sorry, the lack of capitalization in the title was a typo and even though it may have been a Freudian slip it was not meant to be disrespectful.|
Nov 28, 2003 6:39 AM
|in case anyone was wondering (dems), this is a perfect example of what it takes to lead. thank God we dont have Al Bore in the white house.|
|THATS LEADERSHIP||Jon Billheimer|
Nov 28, 2003 8:45 AM
|As much as I detest the man's policies I agree. That was one of the best moves we've witnessed since watching Rudy Guiliani in NYC.|
|THAT'S CAMPAIGN PHOTO-OP||Silverback|
Nov 28, 2003 8:45 AM
|Surrounded by a mere reinforced battalion of infantry and 100 or so Secret Service agents, he flies bravely in a fully defended aircraft escorted by a couple of dozen fighters into a city occupied by 100,000 or so American soldiers, stands up in a mess hall in the center of the secure area and delivers a canned speech written by his campaign advisors, then flits away leaving the troops there to fight his re-election war. Made me PROUD, I tell you, that I'm not from Texas and not a Republican.
I have more respect for the Private First Class who's burning the contents of the latrines than I do for him.
Nov 28, 2003 8:57 AM
|its no photo op. he knows just like you and i do that your dem candidates will use every frame of every picture taken there to try and hang him on it. he has more admiration for the troops than most other people too. sure, the security was tight. i wouldnt expect him to fly into iraq in a hang glider and get a rental car from hertz. by the looks and sound of it on the news, the soldiers there understand his sentiment and have some admiration for him.|
|One comment on that "admiration" thing...||Cory|
Nov 28, 2003 9:19 AM
|Probably the troops are glad to see him--he IS the president, and they're sitting in East Nowhere on Thanksgiving, mostly teen-agers, far from home, lonely and sad. In Vietnam, we got a few visits from senators and other officials, and it made a nice break from the monotony.
Something we also got, though, were very firm orders that when The Man came onstage, we'd stand up and cheer, and stay standing and cheering until we got orders to sit down. Given the other things Bush's people have arranged--that whole aircraft carrier deal, and the CARE packages behind him during that speech, to name two--I don't think you can rule that out.
I'm not saying the Dems wouldn't do the same thing, but it's naive to believe what you see on television. The government is controlling what gets out, and Bush's people are controlling the government.
|One comment on that "admiration" thing...||bill105|
Nov 28, 2003 9:25 AM
|in the last election the military voted overwhelmingly for bush so i think its genuine. on the dems doing the same thing, i dont think they would have had a president there to do them. the reception clinton got everywhere he went to visit the military was "cool" at best. al gore in irag would have been another "dukakis" (sp) moment.|
|They didn't know he was coming||moneyman|
Nov 28, 2003 10:35 AM
|So the news reports said. The orhcestration of emotion could not have happened if they didn't know. OTOH, POTUS was visiting Ft. Carson in Co Springs to visit families of KIA soldiers. The reaction that came from the soldiers when he talked to the whole group WAS orchestrated and commanded, like you described.
Regardless of one's opinion of Mr. Bush, there is the reality that he is running for office and will take advantage of any situation that furthers that cause. In that way he is no different than any other candidate, past or present.
Nov 28, 2003 10:44 AM
|and if he benefits from doing the right/admirable thing, which visiting was, then so what. good performance, behavior, actions, whatever should be rewarded. even some of the pundits are giving him credit.|
|"The Dems" are doing the same thing ...||Live Steam|
Nov 28, 2003 11:55 AM
|Hillarity was in Afghanistan yesterday and will be in Iraq today. She got to be on TV as a result. I guess the Republican Machine missed something to let that happen :O)|
|Dubya of Arabia||critmass|
Nov 30, 2003 12:07 AM
|Getting elected (i.e. for the first time) is his overriding ambition, nothing really matters to Dubya and Rove if it can't achieve this goal. This is obvious political opportunism. It's almost embarrassing to watch people genuflect before their Crawford prophet without regard to the fact that he's led this nation down a treacherous path that promises few rewards. Dubya of Arabia is just another bogus prez spouting patriotic rhetoric for his own political purposes. But then as John Prine sang " Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"|
|What was Hillary doing in Afghanistan?||HouseMoney|
Nov 28, 2003 11:57 AM
|Don't suppose you consider that a photo op, do you? Or all those Sunday photos of Bill Clinton going to church with a bible in his hand during his presidency?!
Sure, as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, she had a right to go. Just as President Bush, as CiC, has the right to visit the troops.
|What was Hillary doing in Afghanistan?||bill105|
Nov 28, 2003 12:09 PM
|Hitlery wasnt exactly welcomed with open arms from what I have read. I think she would have had more credibility if she had taken Sean Penn, the Dixie Chicks or Michael Jackson. Her ass didnt come out of the White House to visit troops when Bill was bombing asprin factories or having Monica over to clean under his desk.|
Dec 1, 2003 7:27 AM
|Big waste of taxpayer money that could be better spent domestically. Might as well have had a suit made out of a flag and quote from the Bible.|
|Don't agree||Live Steam|
Dec 1, 2003 8:00 AM
|He is the Commander in Chief. It was a display of respect for those who are doing the dirty work. He gave up his holiday to be with the men. Photo-op? Everything can be considered that. I'd rather have him spend a few bucks flying to Iraq to show his appreciation to the men and women serving this country than do what his predecessor did traveling the Globe to give his wife and daughter a firsthand exposure to the World, ie. his African trip or even his trip to Bosnia after the conflict was over. Let's face it, every President has the ability to frame circumstance in his favor. I have no problem with what GW did.|
Dec 1, 2003 8:04 AM
|I'd hate to estimate what the cost of that junket was. I'd guess $20 million? All to warm the cockles of a few soldiers for a few minutes? Or, was it to ingratiate himself with those "rebel flag on the pickup" guys back home come next election? The American people weill bear the cost of this political stunt, once again.
Dec 1, 2003 8:11 AM
|and i guess you think hitlerys was needed.|
|Maybe you're right||Live Steam|
Dec 1, 2003 8:15 AM
|He also should have done it in broad daylight if he really wanted to send a message. He always tries to come off as this gungho, throw caution to the wind, kind of leader, but in reality he is only risking the lives of men and women that aid him in these silly stunts like the aircraft carrier landing.|
Dec 1, 2003 9:18 AM
|i guess he should have walked into iraq, naked in broad daylight. would you be satisfied then?|
Dec 1, 2003 9:08 AM
|I'd be surprised if the cost of the trip was more than $100,000. Virtually all of the costs, except fuel, would be incurred anyway. Even fuel would have been burned by many of the escort aircraft, etc. It probably didn't cost significantly more than a few trips to Crawford.|
|$100k here, $100k there, and soon it amounts to real money nm||DougSloan|
Dec 1, 2003 9:44 AM
Dec 1, 2003 10:33 AM
|not backing up your foreign policy here (somalia) and not backing up your foreign policy there (north korea,bosnia) and soon it amounts to a real problem.|
|That's one BIG turkey!||Alexx|
Nov 28, 2003 12:49 PM
i (And the bird is pretty good sized, too