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Quienes mas malo? Mas grande?(21 posts)

Quienes mas malo? Mas grande?OldEdScott
Nov 10, 2003 7:24 PM
OK, I need an election fix, and this board is slumbering, so let's vote.

Who is the most evil character in American politics today?

A. Dick Cheney
B. Ann Coulter
C Live Steam
D Hillary Clinton
E. Other (specify)

Who is the most admirable character in American politics today?

A. George Bush
B. Robert 'Sheets' Byrd
C. OldEdScott
D. Bill Clinton
E. Other (specify)

Punch firmly, now.
Ricardo Montalbanmohair_chair
Nov 10, 2003 8:55 PM
Most Evil: Richard Nixon. He may be dead, but his influence is still strong, having destroyed whatever trust was left in government.

Most Admirable: That's a tough one. The number of truly admirable people in politics has got be in the single digits. I'm going to go with Jerry Brown, mayor of Oakland, former Governer of California and Presidential candidate. Governor Moonbeam. Instead of retiring and disappearing into history, he goes off to Japan and India on a spiritual quest, works with Mother Theresa for a while, then comes back and takes what many would call a step down, getting elected mayor of Oakland. All he does it help revitalize it and make it a desirable place to live again (with help from the dot com boom). All this, and he still lives in a rooming house. Say what you want about his politics, but he's definitely not into it for the money and the glory.
Got a Republican in both slots, EdDale Brigham
Nov 10, 2003 8:58 PM
El Hombre Mas Malo: U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the House Tom Delay, the ol' bug-killer, from my home state of Texas (Sugarland, I believe). I find it very hard to stomach that he and I are both Texans. Just lock me, him, and a 3 foot 2 by 4 in a room for 5 minutes, and I'll solve that little problem. Redistrict this, Mr. Terminex!

El Hombre Mas Mejor: Chuck Hagel, U.S. Senator (R) from the great state of Nebraska. The honorable Senator actually rears up on his hind legs to question The Great and Powerful Administration from time to time, something my party's "leaders" seem incapable of doing. He's often trying to remind the Administration's chickenhawk neo-cons that their globally strategic wars in fact affect real people, which his fine service to our country in Vietnam taught him; their marked absence in same leaves them arrogantly ignorant of that fact.

Best Wishes, Ed, on Veterans Day. My helmet's doffed to you and all of the other RBR board contributors who have served (or currently serve) our country in times of war and peace, thereby insuring the freedoms we enjoy. Many heartfelt thanks!

Dale
E & Esn69
Nov 10, 2003 9:52 PM
Specifically:

1. Pat Buchanan and/or his transexual alter ego Arinanna Huffington.

2. Mary Carey (ref: Cali Election), Gary Coleman (Cali Election), Big Johny (Drunkcyclist). Sorry, Ed...love ya' to death, but you don't make my cut.

Scott
Ok, I'll play.dr hoo
Nov 11, 2003 4:50 AM
Most evil: Paul Wolfowitz. Anyone who was talking on 9-12-01 about how to use the previous days events as justification to invade Iraq qualifies as evil in my book. The most evil is hidden, and Wolfowitz was out of the majority of the public's eye for VERY long. I don't mind power being wielded, that's what politics is about, but power being wielded in SECRET bothers me. Transparency is good.

Most admirable: Russ Feingold (Wisconsin Senator, ran without PAC money against an opponent who used it, putting his money where his principles are) and Chuck Grassley (very, very long time senator from Iowa). I think you throw this dem and rep into a room and let them work, and good things will happen for this country.

Maybe you "coasters" should let the midwesterners run things for a while? Maybe the problem is not dumocrat vs. ripofflican, but coasters vs. pullers. As Sheldon Brown says, "Coasting is a pernicious habit."
evil....politician?? Isn't that redundant?PaulCL
Nov 11, 2003 7:05 AM
Evil: Hiliarity Clinton. Liar, cheater, conniving, evil woman. She actually scares me. Her lust for power is overwhelming. I fear she will stop at nothing to gain the presidency.

Admirable: OdEdScott, of course. He may be a libber-all (yetch) but he's a Kentucky boy through and through. Rides a bike, from KY, drinks the good stuff, a dumacrat - hell, 3 outa 4 ain't bad! OK, seriously, I've always adimired Colin Powell. I'll admire him more after the elections when he quits - because I think he has been used terribly by the current administration. He deserves better.

Admire #2: "W"...now don't get all PO'ed quite yet. I admire the man becuase he stands up for what he believes in. He doesn't cave on his principles becuase the polls aren't going his way. He is a man of action and decisiveness unlike our previous President. You make not like what "W" does or says, but you have to admire his tenacity. Sorry, but Clinton was a wet noodle for everyone except Monica.
Maybe you should watch The Daily Show....Tri_Rich
Nov 11, 2003 7:52 AM
The debate they had with Bush versus Bush was both funny and scary.

Bush doesn't stand up for what he believes in, he stands up and says what other people tell him to say. His answer to the question "will there be fewer troops in Iraq in one year?" was "That's a trick question and I'm not going to answer it." This was at a press conference.
Yoohoo! Let's live in reality please!Live Steam
Nov 11, 2003 8:05 AM
That is a Comedy Central TV show. The incident you reference is a compilation of a few interviews. It isn't real. It's called a spoof. Maybe you better start watching Fox News :O)
New Motto: "Fox news...the 'right' side of the story" (nm)ColnagoFE
Nov 11, 2003 9:10 AM
I like it. I like it :O) (nm)Live Steam
Nov 11, 2003 9:15 AM
Conservative professional elite threatened by women and men with bigger128
Nov 11, 2003 10:54 AM
accounts? No surprise there.

Ok, only half truth; Clinton is a problem but, I remind myself, she is offensive in the same way the great majority of politicians are. So why single her out.
Before I answer you have to explain .....Live Steam
Nov 11, 2003 11:12 AM
your Karl Rove response to both!
Before I answer you have to explain .....128
Nov 11, 2003 1:06 PM
First two Google hits basically sums it up:

Evil witch:

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html

Admirable witch:

http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,388523,00.html
Daily Show segment...Tri_Rich
Nov 11, 2003 12:39 PM
was composed of footage of Bush, so they are things he actually said. The fact that his "flip-flop"ing wa so aggregious made it comic fodder. Along with his explanation of the "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier, which did not even require editting.
Ooooh, so many good choices :O)Live Steam
Nov 11, 2003 7:37 AM
D Oh, please! See PaulCL for more info. She is the definition of evil :O)

I really like John Kasich. I didn't know much about him until his exploratory bid for President, but liked what I saw at the time and planned on voting for him if he was able to gain the nomination. I was disappointed that he withdrew. After looking at his record, his stance on most issues represent my thoughts pretty well. He believes that people should control their destiny and not have it dictated by government regulation. He also believes in personal accountability. I like his affable demeanor and how he presents himself. He is Mr. Smith if you ask me. I would like to see him get back into the political arena. The Republican Party can use more people like him. He is presently Chairman of the New Century Project - an organization dedicated to shrinking the government and returning the power to the people.
D2 for evil is Daschle. I actually think that he ...Live Steam
Nov 11, 2003 9:18 AM
is the Witch's Warlock. He is slime personified.
My choicesmoneyman
Nov 11, 2003 8:27 AM
Most evil? That's tough without a proper definition to work with. I happen to think Howard Dean fits the category. A nasty, unfriendly arrogant pr!ck.

Most admirable? You'll fall off your chair when you read this, but I think Dick Cheney is my guy. Part of my rationale is the "home team" thing, as he is one of the select few of us who made Wyoming our home. The other part is that I think he is a true patriot and a man of conscience. He didn't have to be VP. He had a nice job at Haliburton which he resigned to take on a task for his country.

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Change in choice - evil = Geroge Sorosmoneyman
Nov 11, 2003 8:42 AM
This guy has the money and support to really upend democracy as we know it. One man with lots o' bucks can influence an entire party. He has the Dems bowing and groveling at his feet. For more info, read:

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wpr/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=567585

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You make him sound like a Republican128
Nov 11, 2003 10:43 AM
Money has influence on both sides (for better or worse), so while I understand why you don't like his goal, I don't really see why you disagree with his strategy.

Evil: Rove
Admirable: Rove
It's not his goal that I have trouble withmoneyman
Nov 11, 2003 11:22 AM
All dems, except Zell Miller, want GWB out of office. What I think is evil is the undue influence he will have/has on the direction of the party. See my response to Live Steam above to flesh this out. His contributions make him more important than he really is. One man = many votes. What gives him more importance than those who really care about the party, like OldEdScott or Dick Gephardt? Money. That's it. While money is essential to keep the machinery moving, his buys tremendous influence capital and he knows it.

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you meant to say "president", right, not VP? nmrufus
Nov 12, 2003 7:53 PM