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'Dubya' as derogatory(24 posts)

'Dubya' as derogatoryOldEdScott
Nov 7, 2003 7:20 AM
This GOP communications director gal is, as always, very cagy in what she says to me, but at length over several emails since yesterday I THINK I pried it out of her that they don't consider 'Dubya' to be a hideous conspiratorial Left slander of The President. With her permission, I've just cut and pasted the exchange. It's short, but scroll down and start at the bottom.


No, we've used it on pieces. It's affectionate with us. You all are ruling by committee? Can't even get behind one leader? Make it easy for me, please!

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott, Ed
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:11 AM
To: Sheehan, Laura
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

So do you all take the nickname 'Dubya' to be an offensive, liberal nastyism against Our President? Is is Treason?

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Laura
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:09 AM
To: Scott, Ed
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

Oh pooh!

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott, Ed
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:59 AM
To: Sheehan, Laura
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

I didn't make a point of hanging around presidential events in those years.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Laura
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:52 AM
To: Scott, Ed
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

HA! You are cracking me up! He was his father's advance man, how could you not know what he looked like?

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: Sheehan, Laura
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

How could we HATE the ******* ? We didn't even know him. The first time I heard the phrase Dubya was YOU saying it, and that was before he was even running and I didn't even know what the bastard LOOKED like!

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Laura
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:11 PM
To: Scott, Ed
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

I mean we took what you all were saying in hate and turned it into love. Ain't we great?

-----Original Message-----

From: Scott, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:09 PM
To: Sheehan, Laura
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

What do you mean, 'derogatory and we spun it'?

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheehan, Laura
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:08 PM
To: Scott, Ed
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

I have no idea who came up with it, but I want to say it was from a campaign but then it became derogatory and we spun it. I also think it comes from the Texas pronunciation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott, Ed
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM
To: Sheehan, Laura
Subject: RE: have you packed your suitcase yet?

Are you there?

Burning question: Where did the nickname 'Dubya' originate? I know it means 'W,' but who first used it and why?
I never took it as derogatoryDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 7:31 AM
Oh, and isn't it generally considered bad form to publicly display private e-mails without the other's permission? (assuming...)

Doug
I mentioned I had permission. nmOldEdScott
Nov 7, 2003 7:37 AM
sorry; it's early here nmDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 7:46 AM
I concur,TJeanloz
Nov 7, 2003 7:48 AM
I think I gave the appropriate explaination below. I will maintain that it is derogatory to some degree to refer to a President, current or former, by a nickname of any kind. Respect for the office and all.

I can tell this is probably going to get me into trouble, but I just don't think it's appropriate to refer to people (especially those you don't know) by a nickname. I suppose I'm old fashioned.
you mean, likeDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 8:08 AM
Tricky Dick
Ike
Slick Willie
Old Hickory
Honest Abe
Great Communicator
Old Tippencanoe
LBJ
FDR
JFK
Trust-Buster
etc.
Just like that,TJeanloz
Nov 7, 2003 8:14 AM
Some of those I don't really think of as nicknames (trustbuster, great communicator). But yeah, I think its poor form to not use the honorific when referring to just about anybody.
You'll make a fine US SenatorDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 8:27 AM
The "Honorable Gentlemen From Massachusetts" you'll be. :-)

I think "Dubya" orginated for the sole purpose of distinguishing him from his father. As with any nickname, I think they have a time and place, and are not derogatory if the referenced person doesn't object. Anyone know if W objects to this one? My bet is that if a friend called him that, it would not be a problem. If you or I visited that Whitehouse and upon meeting him said "HI DUBYA!", that would not be good.

Doug
(sp) nmDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 8:29 AM
I don't think MA would elect me, but I've got a shot in NH...TJeanloz
Nov 7, 2003 8:31 AM
Just 6 more years, and I'll be eligible...
better move nowDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 8:33 AM
Hey, wouldn't want to be considered a carpetbagger and move there at the last minute only to be elected there. Oh, wait, no problem with that!
better move nowTJeanloz
Nov 7, 2003 8:39 AM
I've lived there more than anywhere else over the course of my life. I can play it as being a New Hampshire guy who is stuck living in Boston to make a living.
Tt was to distinguish the two Bush men.dr hoo
Nov 7, 2003 9:17 AM
For some reason the political advisors to the younger bush thought that "jr." might not work in this case, so they chose "W".
Clinton's fault: removed "M" from theWhitehouse keyboards and it stuck. - :0)nm128
Nov 7, 2003 9:36 AM
wasn't it Ann Richards?mohair_chair
Nov 7, 2003 7:51 AM
First time I ever heard "dubya," it was Texas Governor Ann Richards saying it. She had that great Texas drawl where all her W's were pronounced that way.
I though "Shrub" was the derogatory one; "Dubya" sounds folksy (torquer
Nov 7, 2003 8:06 AM
(NM) didn't fit in topic box, so I might as well add this image that I hope won't get anyone's knickers in a twist:
don't approve, but these are pretty funny (esp. Hillary)DougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 8:10 AM
http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/071702.asp

PRESIDENT RELEASES COMPLETE LIST OF OFFICIAL NICKNAMES FOR AMERICAN AND WORLD LEADERS
Statement by the President

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Today, in the interest of desecretizing my trademark approach to political bipartisanship and international diplomacy, I have assembled a comprehensive list of the folksy, affectionate monikers I bestow on those persons of whom my advisors wish me to be aware. They are as follows:

UNITED STATES:

Laura Bush: "Pickles"
Jeb Bush: "Gator"
Dick Cheney: "Mr. Cheney, Sir"
Bill Clinton: "Fat Chick Fucker"
Hilly Clinton: "Senator Carpetbaggermuncher"
Ann Coulter: "Gash Limbaugh"
Tom Daschle: "Asshole"
David Duke: "Brother Sheets"
Ari Fleischer: "Cue Ball"
Barney Frank: "Froot Loop"
Dick Gephardt: "Lady-brows"
NOTE: When together, Gephardt and Frank are known as "Blondie and Fagwood"
Ruth Bader Ginsberg: "Lezzie the 4-Eyes"
Al Gore: "Mr. Poopy-Pants-Loser-Dickhead-Sucker"
Billy Graham: "Grandpa Moses"
Katherine Harris: "Avon Lady"
Dennis Hastert: "Penis Hastahurt"
Charlton Heston: "Grandpa Ramrod"
Karen Hughes: "Butch"
Ted Kennedy: "Life Guard"
Henry Kissinger: "Jewboy Classic"
Kenneth Lay: formerly "Kenny Boy," but now "That guy everyone's yapping about"
Joe Lieberman: "Jewboy 2000"
Rush Limbaugh: "Phen Phen"
Trent Lott: "Dippity-Do"
Mary Matalin: "Houdini"
Ralph Nader: "Jackpot"
Peggy Noonan: "Shakespeare"
Oliver North: "Colonel Mum's-the-Word"
Sandra Day O'Connor: "Sister C-Cup"
Colin Powell: "Boy"
Dan Quayle: "Professor"
Ronald Reagan: "Forget-Me-Not"
William Rehnquist: "Leader of the Pack"
Ralph Reed: "Kid Klinefelter"
Condi Rice: "Tar Baby"
Karl Rove: "Mr. President"
Donald Rumsfeld: "Duke Nukem"
Antonin Scalia: "Pitbull the Dago"
David Souter: "Daddy's Little Traitor"
Jimmy Swaggart: "Motel 6"
Clarence Thomas: "Long Dong Slivva"
Oprah Winfrey: "Chocosaurus"
INTERNATIONAL:
Bertie Ahern: "Potato McDrunky"
Kofi Annan: "Buckwheat"
Yasir Arafat: "Picnic Basket Head"
Tony Blair: "Sissy Pants"
Silvio Berlusconi: "Garlicko"
Jacques Chirac: "Froggy le Poodle"
Jean Chretien: "Governor 51"
Kim Dae-jung: "Dog Breath"
Tayyip Erdogan: "Butterball"
Pablo Escobar: "Candy Man"
Vicente Fox: "Frito Bandito"
Tarja Halonen: "Who?"
John Howard: "Dingo-Berry"
Saddam Hussein: "Plan B"
Hamid Karzai: "Pinocchio"
Ayatollah Khamenei: "Ass-a-hola Cockamamie"
Junichiro Koizumi: "Chopstix"
Aleksander Kwasniewski: "Kaiser Kielbasa"
Hosni Mubarak: "Pharaoh Hos-Mu"
Pervez Musharraf: "The Pervertster"
Pope John Paul II: "Hunchy the Popo"
Vladimir Putin: "Pooty Poot"
Muammar al-Qadhafi: "Momo al-Labia"
Prince Abdullah Saud: "Your Royal Highness Price Abdullah Saud, Sir"
Gerhard Schroeder: "Herr Gerschtrapo"
Ariel Sharon: "Gefilte Fuck"
Jiang Zemin: "Jiang the Chicken Wiang"
don't approve, but these are pretty funny (esp. Hillary)DougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 8:11 AM
warning -- foul language

http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/071702.asp
OMG is that funny!Alex-in-Evanston
Nov 7, 2003 8:27 AM
Good stuff. I love the Kofi Annan nickname.

Alex
Ed should like the Ann Coulter name, too nmDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 8:28 AM
Funniest site on the Web! nmOldEdScott
Nov 7, 2003 9:07 AM
seems to be equal opportunity bad taste, too! ;-) nmDougSloan
Nov 7, 2003 9:29 AM
Thanks. That was just the thing. Colin Powell- so cold! nm.128
Nov 7, 2003 9:51 AM
LOLOLOL! Good stuff. nmNo_sprint
Nov 7, 2003 10:51 AM