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I say good on ya, China.(19 posts)

I say good on ya, China.sn69
Oct 14, 2003 7:38 PM

I view this as being less about nationalism and more about humanism, and I'd wager to guess that the Shuttle astronauts would agree.

Good on ya, Yang. Godspeed.
cool nmDougSloan
Oct 15, 2003 6:11 AM
Why is it good?Hammy71
Oct 15, 2003 8:00 AM
I guess few realize that the american space program was started by the military and even today the knowledge used by NASA is used in military applications....Obviously...China having the ability to launch a human into space is a stepping stone for their ability to not only hit the west coast of the US (as once feared) with ICBMs but now the rest of the country (and for that mater the world). Give them kudo's for the good PR...but I'd hold back on the "humanism" ploy....
Why is it good?sn69
Oct 15, 2003 8:13 AM
Why isn't it good? You cite fears of ICBM attack, yet they have LONG had ICMBs, SLBMs and IRBMs.

How about the various spin-off technologies that the space industry has generated, including advances in medicine and computers? There are certainly those who would rather focus inwardly, citing poverty and hunger within various human populations. Still, I think that reaching for something beyond is intrinsically important.

And, I for one, don't waste much energy worrying about nuclear armageddon courtesy of a Chinese space-industry spin off.

My $.02.
China and human rights?????????...nmHammy71
Oct 15, 2003 8:26 AM
in space, no one can hear you scream nmmohair_chair
Oct 15, 2003 8:35 AM
Do you read or selectively interpret?sn69
Oct 15, 2003 8:57 AM
I just re-read my post twice, and at no point did I state or otherwise infer anything about China's horrid record of human rights abuses.

If I unwittingly telepathically mislead you, then I apologize (yes...that's toungue-in-cheek).

China's policy of oppression and human rights abuses is not being argued. If anything, I made a loose, incomplete reference to the anti-space lobby's frequent argument about the supposed generalized waste of resources to chase a dream rather than focussing on current problems with humanity on the whole. I grant SOME measure of credence to that, yet I still think that the overwhelming importance of continued exploration merits the expenditure.

If this particular case happens to be a Chinese astronaut who, truthfully or not, is quoted as stating he's doing it for the "motherland," then I retort: who the f cares? It's another human society reaching outwards and another step towards something b eyond ourselves.

But, to address your concerns regarding Chinese missile technology, I'd suggest researching their primary ICBM force (the DF-6, the DF-31 and the soon-to-be-deployed DF-41) and their SLBM fleet (the JL-1 and the JL-2). They've had the technology for quite some time, fielding their first robust, truly intercontinental ICMB in 1973 (initial work bagan in '65, IOC was reached in '73).

This event, in an of itself, is not the harbinger of doom, nor does it foretell the coming attempt to achieve dominance of the "First Island Chain"...more from their government's last 1990's White Paper on National Strategy.

Now, before I get back to my mountain of paperwork (the aircraft are all "down" at the moment), I'm going re-read my last post yet again to look for inferences to the People's So-Called Republic and human rights.

"humanism" = "human rights" ? (I dunno, just noting) nmDougSloan
Oct 15, 2003 9:04 AM
How about, then, thesn69
Oct 15, 2003 9:08 AM
quest of all humanity to reach beyond themselves? Or should I have simply said the quest of all free, non-commie humanity?


If memory serves, even the Soviets (in their final years of dictatorial power) offered immediate condolences when Challenger was lost. PR or not, I still that a great many people look towards the stars at night and wonder about what lies out there.
Space exploration is nothing butOldEdScott
Oct 15, 2003 9:22 AM
the best thing we can do as humans, and I'm tickled to death my Chinese comrades have taken a Great Leap Starward.
I agreeDougSloan
Oct 15, 2003 9:30 AM
With 2 billion of them (whatever), I just sort of wonder why they go to the expense of the return trip. Hmm. Maybe they are human after all? ;-)

I wonder what we could do if space exploration were the highest priority of the entire planet -- a cooperative venture to go as far as we can...

How far? Probably very far.Fr Ted Crilly
Oct 15, 2003 10:56 AM
Considering what was achieved during the short period of one decade, (the 60's), it seems reasonable to assume that had the U.S. continued space exploration at the same rate, we might well have humans on Mars and some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn by now. Maybe the technology to travel beyond our own solar system would be a possibility and we might be on our way to other planets.
I heard once that the Apollo missions alone took up 5% of America's spending during that period. Could there ever be the public and political will for such an investment again?
well, if we diverted all defense moneyDougSloan
Oct 15, 2003 11:08 AM
If we diverted all defense/war spending, we'd be there. That's not overly idealistic, is it?

Idealistic? Of course not.Fr Ted Crilly
Oct 15, 2003 12:21 PM
Now what could NASA do with an extra $87B?
Oct 16, 2003 9:03 AM
"How about the various spin-off technologies that the space industry has generated, including advances in medicine and computers? There are certainly those who would rather focus inwardly, citing poverty and hunger within various human populations"

I believe this is the quote that I "selectively interpreted..."
This is Good for China b/c it's humanism, not nationalism128
Oct 15, 2003 9:34 AM
I can fairly see that interpretation and wonder what the 'this' is that's good for China because it's Humanist. Good for the Chinese people? The State?

I thought that you simply meant it's cool China appears to be participating internationaly. Coming out to greet the world. (By flying off into space no less) Not that China was going to outer space in a high profile effort to free their people.

Though I am among those who consider manned space exploration as it's currently undertaken a collossal panty waste. Probes and telescopes are fine for now.
Panty waste and alert, red alert.sn69
Oct 15, 2003 9:37 AM
I think it's cool that someone else reached and, at least for now, made it.

...No deep or sinister thought/sentiment, left, right or otherwise.
^ Funniest subject line of the year! nmOldEdScott
Oct 15, 2003 10:35 AM
Oct 16, 2003 1:01 PM
China sucks.