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FOX! tv baseball coverage biased, unpatriotic and adolescent(21 posts)

FOX! tv baseball coverage biased, unpatriotic and adolescent128
Oct 9, 2003 4:32 AM
Granted, I had the sound down and listened to WEEI radio. Only b/c those dopes on FOX! are vacant pedants and just don't shut up.

Bias:
-won't stop refering to Babe Ruth and the vodoo thing
-trashed the Soxs' chances before the A's series even finished.
-keep showing ancient Red Flops footage.
-Showed stat. that had '0' in the column under world championships and 26 for NYY. If I read that right it's unexcusable. Boston has what, 6 Series wins.

Unpatriotic:
-Didn't broadcast National Anthem
-No flyover coverage
-replayed the eagle, not live
-did not cover "GBA" in the 7th stretch.- outrageous.
-Commercials pre-empt at bats (come back and it's already 0 and 1. I missed a pitch. Great.

Adolescent:
-play station graphics
-weird 'swooshy' sounds as graphices fly all over the place
-advertisement and product placements abound. Even during at bats.
-couldn't figure out why the weather channel kept popping up.

Do they know there is a ball game on??
reasonClydeTri
Oct 9, 2003 5:04 AM
They are broadcasting to the lowest common denominator, the viewer who watches a couple games a year. They know the rabid fans will watch anyway, so they tailor their broadcast to catch the fans who dont watch baseball...its all about ratings, the benjamins...
what you are missing...mohair_chair
Oct 9, 2003 6:41 AM
So you missed one pitch out of what, 150 pitches? And it was a ball! Oh the humanity.

Face it, most of a baseball game is spent standing around waiting, and Fox is just trying to keep people interested. Would you rather see flashy whiz-bang graphics, or guys scratching and rubbing and spitting?

The real joke is that the game isn't even important to Fox. It's just a vehicle for promoting their upcoming TV season.
I prefer scratching and spitting,TJeanloz
Oct 9, 2003 6:46 AM
At least they got rid of David Justice. But Brett Boone wasn't really an improvement.

Turn the volume down and listen to Joe and Jerry on the radio - it's the only way to tolerate the national announcers.
Is the "live" TV coverage not delayed by 6 or 7 seconds?Fr Ted Crilly
Oct 9, 2003 7:43 AM
At least in San Jose CA, when I listen to game on the radio and watch it on TV, the radio is several seconds ahead. What's with that?
I'm sure it is.Here the radio was a split second ahead. Weird!128
Oct 9, 2003 8:05 AM
I felt like Nostradamus..
I'd say it's about a split second aheadTJeanloz
Oct 9, 2003 8:07 AM
And I kind of like it, because Joe tells you what you're about to see, so you can pay better attention to it.
At first I thought he was clairvoyant.128
Oct 9, 2003 8:27 AM
Are you getting Remy on the radio? Where.
No Remy on the radioTJeanloz
Oct 9, 2003 8:48 AM
Joe Castiglione and Jerry Trupiano on WEEI.

Mildly confusing to have two Jerrys doing the broadcasts (Remy on T.V., Trup on the radio).
More than a split second ahead.Fr Ted Crilly
Oct 9, 2003 9:17 AM
I timed it once to be 6 seconds. Someone told me that this was to allow the TV broadcasters to edit out anything unsavoury and this was standard practice on all "live" broadcasts. I'm not sure what they could edit out with only 6 seconds to play with - a streaker, (although I think is primarily an English sporting phenomena), or some fan with a political message perhaps?
I'll guess the radio has some similar, standard FCC delay as tv128
Oct 9, 2003 9:30 AM
FOX Delays - The Real Storymohair_chair
Oct 10, 2003 6:17 AM
I asked my brother about this, since he works for Fox Sports, and this is what he said:

Yes, of course there is a delay. Even in the best case scenario you have to deal with the speed of light.

All broadcasts, no matter where they originate, get beamed into my building. The second floor is the Network Operation Control Center, where all feeds come in and out.

So, a game in New York bounces off a bird to Los Angeles (There is also a redundant fiber optic feed as a backup, Big games like Super Bowl and World Series get triple redundancy). It is then fed to the control room where they do drop-ins, like updates from other games and such. For example, the NFL Pregame show and half-time show are in Los Angeles. During Baseball, the open tease, news, updates, whatever, are all inserted in my building. It then goes back up to a bird, back down to Direct TV, Local FOX affiliate, whatever.

Each time the signal reaches a destination, it is synchronized to the local "Gen Lock", which is a master clock that everything in the building is synced to. This allows you to mix different images without horrible results. The only way to do this is to delay the video to the next available frame (1/30th of a second). Additional delays are induced by the equipment itself. For example, a single channel of ADO (Digital Effect box) requires a one frame delay (next available time slot). Switchers, Routers, ADO, and miles of cable add up. Since the signal remains digital the entire time, there is no picture loss... however, the delays are unavoidable.

So, the main reason TV is so far behind radio is the Gen Lock issue. The only way to synchonize an image is to delay it until the next available gen lock cycle (1/30th Sec.). Video equipment does the same "next frame" sync technique. In fact, the audio people have adjustable delays to deal with these issues. Radio doesn't have this problem (well, actually they do but the next cycle is 1/48,000th of a second later). Radio deals only with the speed of light.

Sorry for the long answer. I don't know the actual time delay.... but it varies depending on where you are watching.
I am missing "The Game"128
Oct 9, 2003 7:19 AM
One ball, sure no big deal, it's the point of the thing. Sports are live and we get to see it all. That's the way it is. Could have been the greatest hit ever. We want it live.

Baseball is about tempo, pace, and operatic development. You miss that with all this crap whizing around. Yup, I want to see the players milling around, the crowd catching fouls, the manager sulking, and the latest Wally the Green Monster sighting.

Could those clowns shut up a sec, let me hear the murmur of the crowd once in awhile. Say something other than speculative what-could-have happened, or he-shoulda-dones. Classic commentator mistakes.
A zillion replays all night of nonsense then after a Sox shot single down the third base line, the re-play next showed was of the Cubs game. Pathetic.

FOX! does not create interest, they create havoc. They are mad men unbridled.

But you're right, it's all about commerce over there at FOX!, forget about tradition. Sure, commerce pays the bills, but let's not forget there's a game on too.
Didn't broadcast Natinal AnthemHot Carl
Oct 9, 2003 7:27 AM
I hope this didn't stop you from singing at home.
All sports are adolescent, but why should coverage be patriotic?Cory
Oct 9, 2003 7:52 AM
We're only talking about a game here--even CARING about the thing is adolescent (I'm a fan, but I don't pretend it really matters in the overall scheme of things). And the coverage, like professional sport itself, is a commercial enterprise. If they couldn't make money on the ads, they wouldn't bother to televise it.
As for the national anthem: Well, thank God. Any chance to miss that sappy, saccharine outburst is welcome (applauding the anthem is a breach of etiquette, by the way--it's officially NOT a performance, and should be received in respectful silence). Flyovers are boring--"Hey, look! Airplanes!" And maybe the eagle didn't WANT to do an encore. It doesn't have any idea what it's doing anyway; no reason a carrion-eater reacting on instinct should stir our emotions.
Let's see--have I left anything out? Oh, yeah: What do commercials pre-empting at bats have to do with patriotism? What does ANY of this have to do with love of country? It's just a baseball game
lol. B/c it's FOX! The standard bearer of all things patriotic128
Oct 9, 2003 8:22 AM
I'm calling them hypocrits.

"Hold up here on the hilltop Lance. We'll finish the Barney-sells-Perrier spot then you can head down." It *is* a game. That's the point: I'd like to watch it flow. Not have the flow determined by commercial interuption.

I like the Anthem b/c it's music and I like to hear how different people treat it. I like that it's like a moment of public pause, meditation. Communitarian. Appreciate your ettiquette note, additionally I think people arn't applauding so much the anthem as, in my mind, let's get the game on and we're happy to be together (in a hegemonic neo-imperialist kind of way :0))Sacharine? Maybe. But not when the Dixie Chicks do it!

Fly-over: Awesome display of tax money machismo. Fast things are cool and scary.

Eagle: Leave them alone. No need for that. National bird driven to near extinction by irresposible (excusable ignorance) use of chemicals now paraded. Ouotrageous. Hubris. Let's hope the global warming is just a liberal media fantasy too. Good thing FOX! has enough commercial breaks to let us know what really matters.
Your mistake was in not watching the Cubs / Marlins game.Turtleherder
Oct 9, 2003 8:25 AM
The broadcasters in that game spent 10 minutes talking about the nickname of the Marlins shortstop. While "Sea Bass" is a hilarious nickname it wasn't worth ten minutes.
FOX! switched to it so much it was like I was there128
Oct 9, 2003 8:34 AM
they're like the attention deficit disorder network. an epileptic with a remote. and could they squueeeze any more "information" on the screen...holy hanna.

Cubbies ate them fish last night!
Thanks for ventingCrankist
Oct 9, 2003 9:49 AM
I sometimes wonder if I'm too damn critical of basball broadcasts - I always seem to be muttering something cynical - usually just the word "morons". But happily you've covered 'em all for me, now I can just get on with the game in peace.
At your service. nm128
Oct 9, 2003 10:12 AM
As long as the Yankees keep losing...Fr Ted Crilly
Oct 9, 2003 10:30 AM
.... I don't care what the coveraage is like.